VIDEO!my improv (tried to do it with style) you like it? please watch!

[mkaykov]

First of all, I don't believe this is pure improvisation.
What I think is that you have a really good technique for a 15 years old boy, but your videos are just 'look my technique and my scales'. They where pretty cool and you had nice things, things that Cziffra could have done, but don't forget the music. In your second video we can hear the 'Hava Nagila'. These were just the melody in octaves with enormous arpeggios. I liked it, but don't think just about technique. Technique is a way to pronounce music. You have a very good technique, now make very good music.

I agree, this was pure improvisation, that explains some of the messed up scales, and its repetetiveness.

[da jake]

I agree with previous posters who suggested that you record some real music. It would be interesting, fo sho.

[tompilk]

I agree with previous posters who suggested that you record some real music. It would be interesting, fo sho.

da jake be true 

[nik0]

Nice technique! But don´t get too proud!

[emmdoubleew]

A lot of you guys are really way to uptight. The kid can play the piano however he wants, who are you people to tell him otherwise? I mean look at LangLang....

Yeah exactly. Look at at LangLang.............. 

EDIT: Looking forward to your liszt recordings!!

[mkaykov]

https://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=6897473452310143900


another improvisation, video!


liszt coming soon

[pianiststrongbad]

I-V-I it is harmonically pretty dry.

[da jake]

Yes yes yes...you've already established you can play the piano. But can you play music? 

[henrah]

Come on everybody, let's chant!!

On 3... 1, 2, 3,    LISZT   LISZT   LISZT   LISZT   LISZT!!

[Derek]

The last video you posted was an improvement already over the first ones, I felt, there was more focus on melody. You've clearly started down the path! Keep going down it!   Maybe try some more bassline movement? Like instead of going INSTANTLY from i to V or i to iv,  have the bass line "walk" down to the root note as you keep playing the triad up above. It'll sound awesome. As you have a large repertoire (I would guess?) and technique already---you might find it relatively easy to allow all that to "melt" into your improvisation.

[norkus]

haha pianist pissing contest!

oh boy, can i join in?

hahahahaha

jk, i dont need to, im fine just sitting back and watching.

[crazy for ivan moravec]

real music please. 
i'd love to hear you play liszt.

only good musicians improvise well. right now, you're still a pianist with great technique waiting to be formed a musician. good pianist does not necessarily equal good musician.

[nicco]

https://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=6897473452310143900


another improvisation, video!


liszt coming soon

I dare you to do the same without playing the same scale\arpeggio twice 

[henrah]

Question: Can you play a scale as fast as that single handed? And also with two hands, but two scales not one hand helping the other?

[franz_]

Another question: You can see you heard a lot of Cziffra recordings. But what scales do you/he play? What are the notes? It is not a regular major or minor scale. In your second improvisation, the first scale is a typical Cziffra scale.

[Derek]

Please mkaykov---ignore all this brutal invective. You're doing well.

[da jake]

^pregnant cat pregnant cat pregnant cat

[nicco]

How many of you people antagonizing mkaykov actually improvise? You should be ashamed of yourselves. You'll probably all end up bitter piano teachers who discourage a student every time they play a wrong note (or maybe they were instinctively embellishing a melody, you jerk, you might have killed the creative spirit of the next mozart). It's people like you who ruin music for others. I didn't actually get into piano playing til I had a LACKADAISICAL GUITAR TEACHER.

I'm sorry, but, when I was 15 I remember getting a lot of crap in another hobby besides piano---and it all but ruined it for me. I just got rather angry seeing so much of that sort of behavior here, about MUSIC of all things.

Please mkaykov---ignore all this brutal invective. You're doing well.

so, im glad you are here to explain how improvisation should be, please share

and also, you shouldnt reply when you dont know the whole story

[emmdoubleew]

^pregnant cat pregnant cat pregnant cat

hahahaha

dun diss da derek

[Derek]

so, im glad you are here to explain how improvisation should be, please share

and also, you shouldnt reply when you dont know the whole story

I'm afraid I don't understand your response. Also, as you can see I removed what I had said earlier, I felt it would be more productive to simply encourage mkaykov rather than chastise his critics on this thread.

[mkaykov]

the scale that I and Cziffra play is double harmonic, only in major. It is (in D major) D-E-flat-F-sharp-G-A-B-flat, C-sharp-D

[tompilk]

the scale that I and Cziffra play is double harmonic, only in major. It is (in D major) D-E-flat-F-sharp-G-A-B-flat, C-sharp-D

please stop comparing yourself to cziffra... its insulting...

give up - youve shown off already
Tom

[franz_]

the scale that I and Cziffra play is double harmonic, only in major. It is (in D major) D-E-flat-F-sharp-G-A-B-flat, C-sharp-D

Thx, liked it.

[henrah]

Wow, double harmonic. Never heard of that before, but it sounded good! But too much of a good thing can be bad

[mkaykov]

please stop comparing yourself to cziffra... its insulting...

give up - youve shown off already
Tom

true, I will stop.


can someone please give me a theme to improvise on? maybe sheet music?

[henrah]

I would give you a theme, but Sibelius isn't working right now. And also I can't be arsed to write it all out here as it contains a variety of note lengths.

But could you answer my question please? Would you be able to play the same scale, at the same speed, using only one hand? Or is it the use of your other hand that enables you to play it so fast?

[donjuan]

can someone please give me a theme to improvise on? maybe sheet music?

ok, how about some Andrew Lloyd Webber?

[tompilk]

ok, how about some Andrew Lloyd Webber?

baaaaaaaaaah! hiiiiiiiiisssssssssss! webber... yuk insult
nasty hobbitses...
Tom

[Derek]

Andrew Lloyd Weber is AMAZING! Phantom of the Opera has some of the most mind numbingly awesome music ever written in the HISTORY OF MANKIND!!! 

Haha..early in my improv experience I accidentally ripped off that rock opera many times.

[stevie]

please stop comparing yourself to cziffra... its insulting...

give up - youve shown off already
Tom

no..hes posting helpful info

the scale that I and Cziffra play is double harmonic, only in major. It is (in D major) D-E-flat-F-sharp-G-A-B-flat, C-sharp-D

love this scale, its cziffra's trademark, and i think he borrowed it from what liszt sometimes used in his hungarian rhapsodies, its a gypsy trademark.

it can be overused, but it sounds wikid anyway.

[pianote]

I am uploading another improv.......

 

god save us all.

[donjuan]

baaaaaaaaaah! hiiiiiiiiisssssssssss! webber... yuk insult
nasty hobbitses...
Tom

yeah, i know..  but since his music has obvious chord changes and is nauseatingly repetitive, I thought michael could have a little fun with it..

[stevie]

hahaha, jealousy rears its ugly head, from don's rectum

[emmdoubleew]

hahaha, jealousy rears its ugly head, from don's rectum

Ever since you've stopped posting at da SDC you've become completely retarded.

[donjuan]

hahaha, jealousy rears its ugly head, from don's rectum

k, i wasnt even trying to antagonize michael in that last post there..

you should read more closely.

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what I was trying to say is that yes, I agree with tompilk that Lloyd Webber is a poor composer, but his stuff has easy chord changes and repeats alot.  therefore it is excellent improv material.  you wouldn't do an improvisation on Scriabin's 5th sonata now would you?

so take it back, you f#%king douche

[emmdoubleew]

yeaah... I don't think namecalling is necessary.

[erak]

no..hes posting helpful info

love this scale, its cziffra's trademark, and i think he borrowed it from what liszt sometimes used in his hungarian rhapsodies, its a gypsy trademark.

it can be overused, but it sounds wikid anyway.

It is called a gypsy scale ... so no wonder cziffra and liszt used it that much.

[ole]

anyone who says weber is a poor composer should either

1) write a melody as good as him first and THEn critique his work

or

2) shut the hell up and stop being a jealous piece of crap

[tompilk]

anyone who says weber is a poor composer should either

1) write a melody as good as him first and THEn critique his work

or

2) shut the hell up and stop being a jealous piece of crap

he just does it for the money, thats the difference between him and other composers...
and he writes for a HUUUUGE audience, so his music seems to happy clappy for me to enjoy.
I enjoy some obscurity and unpredictability.
We have Webber drilled into us so much that its even more *snore* than it should be...
My mum likes him, and i know many people who do but its modern music.
*yawn*
*bore*
its all a bit too obvious for me to enjoy. You hardly get the same rush from it as most of the romantic music, i dont think. repeated melodies (drilled in sooooo many times in one piece I DO NOT LIKE.  lol...
also no need for what you said in ur post... why would i be jealous of Webber? apart from money that is, but id rather write good music 
Tom
I think ill devote a forum to the detesing of Webber... then we'll have a sub-forum for everything 

[donjuan]

yeaah... I don't think namecalling is necessary.

you see, I dont think a referee is necessary.  how the hell do you want me to respond to such a comment as

hahaha, jealousy rears its ugly head, from don's rectum

?
dont start telling me what I can and cannot do here.

tompilk: big props to you for defending your honor, and refusing to be a fence sitter, refusing to compromise.  I have much respect for you.

who I now have no respect for whatsoever is mkaykov, who is too chickens&%t to keep the thread title the same in response to people not liking his work.  To me, it doesnt matter what your attitude is, just so long as you live it out to the end. 

I ask stevie to take his comment back because it came out of nowhere and was uncalled for, but definitely not because I don't respect him.

[henrah]

Don, I don't think anyone was telling you what you can and can't do.

And elevatemme, it's a bit odd that you don't think namecalling is necessary when you said Stevie has 'become completely retarded'.

I love being a referee


Heh, kidding! Let's all relax and compliment mkaykov on his technique, and just try and help him on his way to becoming a better improvisor. Nice one Don for giving him a theme, now lets see an improvisation on it mkaykov!

Also, where's the Liszt concerto or Gnomenreigen? Still waiting for those!
Henrah

[franz_]

Also, where's the Liszt concerto or Gnomenreigen? Still waiting for those!
Henrah

We all do....

[kelly_kelly]

Also, where's the Liszt concerto or Gnomenreigen? Still waiting for those!
Henrah

I'm getting suspicious...

[lisztisforkids]

What?! The thread title changed again? Hmpf.

[rob47]

ahaha apparently the Liszt concerto is quite wicked. It was posted on SDC for a bit and got some legendary reviews IIRC.

As for the improv it is what it is. Also you guys have to understand the character who's posting this. His intention going into this was not "look at what a good boy i am etc etc." you have to udnerstand this guy doesn't really know how to communicate with others properly. he's not an arrogant high and mighty show off, he probably felt this was the best way given what kind of video he was posting. for whatever reason you guys picked up on some condescending 'tone' in his posts, which is completely not there; his posts on GFF which praise other pianists and other recordings show respectable humbleness and a strong appreciation for great music.

when he says "you and your slow fingers" he's not trying to say he's better, he's just not sure why people are being a jerk to him.

for a different approach to improv you guys should look back and find ted's posted in heere somewher.

true

[emmdoubleew]

dont start telling me what I can and cannot do here.

Ya, let go of your conscience and let your anger condemn me.

[nanabush]

wow this is the audition thread, just talk about the *** improv... make a thread about flaming other ppl, cuz it's getttin kinda ghey on this one...

*** *** *** ass hell pregnant dog 

[donjuan]

What?! The thread title changed again? Hmpf.

so a guy comes in and explicitly states that he is trying to copy Cziffra in his improv.  People don't like it, so he changes the thread title from "tried to copy cziffra" to the more ambiguous "tried to do it with style."  But he keeps the original video up for people to see, in hopes that someone will come along and say "hey, that sounds kinda like Cziffra"

now how admirable is that?  do you really want to hear such a character make any kind of music?  If he had any integrity left, he would lock this thread and record something else.  He likes to copy Cziffra -that's fine- but turning around and lying about it is just low. 

Ya, let go of your conscience and let your anger condemn me.

Im not angry.  I like you.  it's just that your 'polite police' comments can be irritating.  I know I irritate some people too; it's unavoidable, so we should just go with the flow.   

[stevie]

dont you know imitation is the sincerest for of flattery?

mkaykov was just having fun, and his love and respect for cziffra is just as strong as yours

even if he was a complete douche, youre hear to discuss his playing, not his character, his playing is very good..

maybe im wrong in interpreting what don says as jealousy, but even if so, i dont agree with it

i see great potential in this kids playing, and even as it is; i thoroughly enjoyed it.

[mkaykov]

I am having problems converting the Liszt concerto...........


well, I will have to post it in WAV..........