Maksim

[jay_maksim]

If a rock guitarist plays a jazz piece, is he then a jazz guitarist?

Maksim was classicaly trained, he does not play A classical piece, he plays and has played many classical pieces (solo).

I am not saying Maksim has played ONE piece of classical music. Maksim has done concerts of just solo classical piano. Is that not classical?

Listen to Maksim's Flight of the Bumblebee, then listen to Cziffra's octave transcription and tell me which one is better, musically and technically.

Musicically better: That can be down to the listeners opinion. I have never said Maksim's pieces are technically difficult, whats the point in comparing, i know loads of pieces i could compare Maksim to and say it's technically harder.

Maksim does not ONLY do classical pieces, he does pieces of such composers: Tonci Huljic, David Essex, John Lenhan, Joseph Brooks... etc.

On his first album he done 5 classical pieces, thats all. You seem to think every single piece is a classical piece.

Yes well done, Maksim is a Popular artist, i have already establised that.

The point is, you are saying Maksim isn't a classical pianist becuase he plays crossover music, and yet ignoring every single solo classical pieces he's done and saying he's not a classical pianist.

So are you saying you can't have a Jazz pianist and a Classical pianist?

Maksim is both, a crossover and a classical pianist.

When i say maksim is a classical pianist, i am not refering to pieces such a Flight of the bumble bee, griegs piano concerto etc...

[etudes]

On his first album he done 5 classical pieces, thats all. You seem to think every single piece is a classical piece.

could you give me a list i dont have any of his cd
i listen to his music many times (from mtv etc.)and never stand until the end of the piece
its really disgusting for me (sorry if its too harsh)

[leahcim]

If a rock guitarist plays a jazz piece, is he then a jazz guitarist?

Nah, he's probably just dropped the guitar

[paris]

Maksim is both, a crossover and a classical pianist.

he is crossover pianist pretending to be classical, more accurately

[jay_maksim]

how is he pretending?

[jay_maksim]

Flight of the Bumble Bee | Rimsky-Korsakov
Grieg's Piano concerto in A minor | Grieg
Exodus | Ernest Gold
Claudine | Tonci Huljic
Wonderland |Tonci Huljic
Handel's Sarabande | Handel
Rhapsody on a Theme of Paganini | Rachmaninov
Hana's Eyes | Tonci Huljic
Revolutionary Etude in C minor | Chopin
Cubana | Tonci Huljic
Croatian Rhapsody | Tonci Huljic
Dance Of The Baroness | Frano Parac
Cubana Cubana | Tonci Huljic (Bonus track)

CD2
Kolibre | Tonci Huljic
Piano Concerto No.1 in B flat minor, 3rd movement | Tchaikovsky
Merry Christmas Mr Lawrence | Ryuichi Sakamoto
Totentanz | Liszt
Olympic Dream | David Essex
Amazonic | Tonci Huljic
'Leeloos' Tune | Tonci Huljic
Procession Of The Sardar | Lppolitov-lvanov
Bohemian Rhapsody | Freddie Mercury
Pictures At An Exhibition | Mussorgsky
Etude in D Sharp Minor, op.8 No.12, 'Patetico' | Scriabin
Nocturne In E Flat Major | Chopin
Aria from Goldberg Variations | Bach
Pagrag | Paganini/Maksim

CD3
New World Concerto | A. Dvorak
Nostradamus | Tonci Huljic
Dido's Lament | H. Purcell
Tosca | G. Puccini
Desert Skies | Tonci Huljic
Intermezzo | P. Mascagni
Somewhere in Time/The Old Woman | John Barry
Ride of the Valkyries | R. Wagner
Still Waters | Tonci Huljic
Blue Balloon | Joseph Brooks
Mojito | Tonci Huljic
The Flower Duet | Leo Delibes
Deborah's Theme | Ennio Morricone

[etudes]

Flight of the Bumble Bee | Rimsky-Korsakov
Grieg's Piano concerto in A minor | Grieg
Exodus | Ernest Gold
Claudine | Tonci Huljic
Wonderland |Tonci Huljic
Handel's Sarabande | Handel
Rhapsody on a Theme of Paganini | Rachmaninov
Hana's Eyes | Tonci Huljic
Revolutionary Etude in C minor | Chopin
Cubana | Tonci Huljic
Croatian Rhapsody | Tonci Huljic
Dance Of The Baroness | Frano Parac
Cubana Cubana | Tonci Huljic (Bonus track)

CD2
Kolibre | Tonci Huljic
Piano Concerto No.1 in B flat minor, 3rd movement | Tchaikovsky
Merry Christmas Mr Lawrence | Ryuichi Sakamoto
Totentanz | Liszt
Olympic Dream | David Essex
Amazonic | Tonci Huljic
'Leeloos' Tune | Tonci Huljic
Procession Of The Sardar | Lppolitov-lvanov
Bohemian Rhapsody | Freddie Mercury
Pictures At An Exhibition | Mussorgsky
Etude in D Sharp Minor, op.8 No.12, 'Patetico' | Scriabin
Nocturne In E Flat Major | Chopin
Aria from Goldberg Variations | Bach
Pagrag | Paganini/Maksim

CD3
New World Concerto | A. Dvorak
Nostradamus | Tonci Huljic
Dido's Lament | H. Purcell
Tosca | G. Puccini
Desert Skies | Tonci Huljic
Intermezzo | P. Mascagni
Somewhere in Time/The Old Woman | John Barry
Ride of the Valkyries | R. Wagner
Still Waters | Tonci Huljic
Blue Balloon | Joseph Brooks
Mojito | Tonci Huljic
The Flower Duet | Leo Delibes
Deborah's Theme | Ennio Morricone

how many of them that he respect to the score?

[brahmsian]

Nah, he's probably just dropped the guitar

 

Are all those with or without techno beats? I'd love to hear his Totentanz BTW.

[etudes]

Are all those with or without techno beats? I'd love to hear his Totentanz BTW.

i prefer to stick with da Ziff

[jay_maksim]

Flight of the Bumble Bee | Rimsky-Korsakov  _ Crossover
Grieg's Piano concerto in A minor | Grieg _ Crossover
Exodus | Ernest Gold _ Crossover
Claudine | Tonci Huljic _ Crossover
Wonderland |Tonci Huljic _ Crossover
Handel's Sarabande | Handel _ Crossover
Rhapsody on a Theme of Paganini | Rachmaninov _ Crossover
Hana's Eyes | Tonci Huljic _ Crossover
Revolutionary Etude in C minor | Chopin _ Crossover
Cubana | Tonci Huljic _ Crossover
Croatian Rhapsody | Tonci Huljic _ Crossover
Dance Of The Baroness | Frano Parac _ Solo Piano/ Contemporary
Cubana Cubana | Tonci Huljic (Bonus track) _ Crossover

CD2
Kolibre | Tonci Huljic __ Crossover
Piano Concerto No.1 in B flat minor, 3rd movement | Tchaikovsky __ Crossover
Merry Christmas Mr Lawrence | Ryuichi Sakamoto __ Crossover
Totentanz | Liszt __ Crossover
Olympic Dream | David Essex __ Crossover
Amazonic | Tonci Huljic __ Crossover
'Leeloos' Tune | Tonci Huljic __ Crossover
Procession Of The Sardar | Lppolitov-lvanov __ Crossover
Bohemian Rhapsody | Freddie Mercury __ Orchestral Version
Pictures At An Exhibition | Mussorgsky __ Non Crossover
Etude in D Sharp Minor, op.8 No.12, 'Patetico' | Scriabin __Non Crossover
Nocturne In E Flat Major | Chopin __ Non Crossover
Aria from Goldberg Variations | Bach __Non Crossover
Pagrag | Paganini/Maksim __Non Crossover

CD3
New World Concerto | A. Dvorak __Non Crossover
Nostradamus | Tonci Huljic __ Crossover
Dido's Lament | H. Purcell __ Crossover
Tosca | G. Puccini __ Crossover/No tech
Desert Skies | Tonci Huljic __ Crossover
Intermezzo | P. Mascagni __ Crossover
Somewhere in Time/The Old Woman | John Barry __Non Crossover
Ride of the Valkyries | R. Wagner __ Crossover
Still Waters | Tonci Huljic __ Crossover/Not techno
Blue Balloon | Joseph Brooks __Crossover/Not Techno
Mojito | Tonci Huljic __ Crossover/Latin style/Not Techno
The Flower Duet | Leo Delibes __ Crossover/Not techno
Deborah's Theme | Ennio Morricone __ Non Crossover

you can listen to some hear: https://fan.maksimmrvica.com/variations/audio.php

[etudes]

Pictures At An Exhibition | Mussorgsky __ Non Crossover
Etude in D Sharp Minor, op.8 No.12, 'Patetico' | Scriabin __Non Crossover
Nocturne In E Flat Major | Chopin __ Non Crossover
Aria from Goldberg Variations | Bach __Non Crossover

is that all?? the rest that you said non crossover is not really piano music (i dont count on contemporary)
did he record complete of Pictures from Mussorgsky?? (i dont think so)
i would be glad to hear his Horowitz etude from Scriabin

[jay_maksim]

Dude, i can't put everything on becuase it's on a DVD and from live performances.

(i don't know this)... Is the complete pictures at en exhibition:

Promenade
Baba-yaga
The great wall of Kiev
il vecchio castello

Do you have MSN or a way in which i can email it to you? if not you can just listen to a short preview on that link.

[etudes]

can u upload on webspace??

[jay_maksim]

not sure, just forget about it 

[stevie]

Listen to Maksim's Flight of the Bumblebee, then listen to Cziffra's octave transcription and tell me which one is better, musically and technically.

cziffra's

[etudes]

just curious
jay_maksim are you Maksim Mrvica?

[stevie]

https://s44.yousendit.com/d.aspx?id=047SE9BWTVS842YXRZDR4O0N91

[etudes]

https://s44.yousendit.com/d.aspx?id=047SE9BWTVS842YXRZDR4O0N91

Cziffra or Maksim?


ok i know now!

[kreso]

Cziffra or Maksim?

CZIFFRA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[etudes]

i bet that cziffra octave is faster than fingers run from mister Maksim ........

[jay_maksim]

just curious
jay_maksim are you Maksim Mrvica?

Yes i am.

https://s44.yousendit.com/d.aspx?id=047SE9BWTVS842YXRZDR4O0N91

ok, what is this trying to prove? ....he plays it faster...?and?

[etudes]

Yes i am.

ok, what is this trying to prove? ....he plays it faster...?and?

and more musical much more dynamic nuances phrasing even in showing off piece like this!

[jay_maksim]

Ok, so you are comparing saying he is better... i didn't say there are no better pianist. Nor did i say Maksim is the technically best pianist around.

[brahmsian]

Ok, so you are comparing saying he is better... i didn't say there are no better pianist. Nor did i say Maksim is the technically best pianist around.

What I'm trying to ask is why don't you want to listen to the better pianists? Why listen to Maksim's Tchaikovsky concerto when Horowitz's version is miles ahead in terms of technique and musical interpretation?

I suppose each person likes different things, but if one wants to listen to classical music, listen to the real thing.   

i prefer to stick with da Ziff

Agreed

[stevie]

Yes i am.

ok, what is this trying to prove? ....he plays it faster...?and?

better, infinitely better

[Kassaa]

Just FYI.

[etudes]

Just FYI.

stop before the half of the music!
thank anyway

[avetma]

jay_maksim:

You are not very polite. In this thread we talk about Mrvica, not me!
Please, could I ask you something? Big favour?

Can you give me list of pieces what Mrvica plays originaly as written by composer?

That is all I want to see here right now. Just to see how many pieces does such wonderful classical pianist does have in his repertoire and on his albums.

[etudes]

jay_maksim:

You are not very polite. In this thread we talk about Mrvica, not me!
Please, could I ask you something? Big favour?

Can you give me list of pieces what Mrvica plays originaly as written by composer?

That is all I want to see here right now. Just to see how many pieces does such wonderful classical pianist does have in his repertoire and on his albums.

that is what i meant before but he gave me all the list with the category but i think that all of them are with techno beat or whatever it called
................................

[Kassaa]

DAMN, his Paganini Rhapsody is even worse

That was it btw, I'm not going to waste any more space on my computer.

[jay_maksim]

Yes i am.

ok, what is this trying to prove? ....he plays it faster...?and?

better, infinitely better

ok, but why are you telling me? please show me where is said Maksim is better than all pianist. I used the word GREATEST. That was in a release message on the EMI site.

Greatest, does not mean technically the best pianist. Greatest meaning could me most succesful pianist.

Can you give me list of pieces what Mrvica plays originaly as written by composer?

Varijacije Na Medimursku Tema/ Variations On The Theme From Medimurje (Mladen Tarbuk)
Igra Staklenih Perli/ A Play Of Glass Beads (Ivo Josipovic)
Pet Intermezza/ Five Intermezzos (Sanja Drakulic)
Moderato misterioso
Allegro giusto
Grave
Allegro molto, ben ritmico
Presto assai
Dva Preludija/ Two Preludes (Antun Tomislav Saban)
Preludij I./ Prelude 1
Preludij II./ Prelude 2
Sest Bagatela/ Six Bagatelles (Srecko Bradic)
Grave- Prestissimo
Quasi burlesca
Presto brillante
Presto ritmico
Largo
Allegro vivio
NeuroTran/Neurosis (Kresimir Selectkovic)
Ples Barunice/ Dance Of The Baroness (Franco Parac)
Geste/ Gestures (Dubravko Detoni)

JOSEPH HAYDN
Sonata u C-duru (1767)
Moderato
Menuet, Trio
Finale, Presto

KREŠIMIR SELETKOVIĆ
Neurosis

SANJA DRAKULIĆ
Pet intermezza
Moderato misteriozo
Allegro giusto
Grave
Allegro molto, ben ritmico
Presto assai

****

JOHANNES BRAHMS
Sonata op. 5 u f-molu
Allegro maestoso
Andante espressivo
Scherzo, Allegro energico
Intermezzo, Andante molto

Flight of the bumble bee, Rach Piano concerto no2, Nocturne in D flat Major (Chopin), Nocturne in Eflat major (chpin), Aria From gold berg variaitons, Scrabin etude in Dsharp Minor Patetico, Pictures at an exhibition, Hungarian RHapsody no2, Nocturne In C Sharp Minor (chopin), Mazurka in F minor Op.7, No.3 (chopin), Haydn’s C major piano concerto with an orchestra (at the age of 9), Davorin KEMPF Zvukolik (1988), Nocturne en ut dièse mineur (op. posth.), Nocturne en ré bémol mineur (op. 27 n°2), Nocturne en fa mineur (op. 55 n°1)  Sonate en ut majeur (1767) Moderato |Menuet, trio | Finale, presto (haydn)

but wait, thats NOT classical music is it? ...biggest statement of sarcasm.

COPIED FROM A SITE:

He was presented with the award given by the Austrian Rotary Club in 1998 and the first prize at the International Piano Contest Nicolai Rubinstein in Paris in 1999. He won the first prize at the Portoise Piano Competition in Paris in 2001.
He performed in all major Croatian cities, and in Paris, Budapest, St.Petersburg, Vienna, Salzburg and Geneva. He has collaborated so far with the Symphony Orchestra of the Croatian Radio Television as well as with the Symphony Orchestra of the Music Academy in Zagreb.

He won the first prize at the National Competition for the students of music in Zagreb, the award given by the Rector of Zagreb University in the academic year 1997/98

---------------------------

honestly, what do you think he played? or are you too ignorant to think that he actually played solo pieces.

Dude, i can't find every single solo piece he has done.

Gestures, his disc of contemporary Croatian piano pieces, he was realistic. He expected it to shift a handful of copies and languish on the shelves like so many other experimental CDs. But he was wrong. It became one of the fastest-selling classical recordings ever to be released in Croatia, and ended up winning four Porin (Croatian Grammies) including one for Best Classical Album. Maksim was even invited to open the Porin award ceremony - an honour not usually granted to a classical artist and caused a sensation with his performance of The Dance of the Baroness.

I DIDN'T WRITE THAT.

[brahmsian]

Granted, he may have performed solo pieces before. However, when was the last time he did so?

He started playing crossover stuff, which moved him out of the realm of classical music into pop. Classical music with techno isn't classical music, it's pop music. If he started EXCLUSIVLY giving solo performances, I would then be inclined to call him a classical musician. Until he shuts of his play along orchestra, I call him a pop artist.

[stevie]

better, infinitely better

ok, but why are you telling me? please show me where is said Maksim is better than all pianist. I used the word GREATEST. That was in a release message on the EMI site.

Greatest, does not mean technically the best pianist. Greatest meaning could me most succesful pianist.

i consider the 'greatest' person in any art not the most commercially succesfulk, but the most artistically succesful.

and this is completely subjective, granted, but in some cases, its blatantly obvious who is better.

is madonna greater than beethoven?

no, but she seels more records and is more famous.

same with maksim.

its great if he leads the masses to discover real classical music, but if in any way you think he is more than a glorified techno-artist, you are wrong.

he may be great at pop, but still i have yet to hear anything really classical from him.

even the 'dance of the baroness' was produced with effects added to the solo piano, and it was ok, nothing great.

[leahcim]

is madonna greater than beethoven?
no, but she seels more records and is more famous.

I'd say Beethoven is much more famous although that's probably subjective without a definitive measure of fame.

If my Gran knows of Madonna it's not because of her music at all. Possibly because of stuff on the front pages of newspapers or the TV. Similary, some might know that Kylie has cancer, shags a French bloke and appeared in a soap. Far less will have much idea about her music, which isn't always written by them anyway.

SInce she has been around longer than a lot of pop stars a few generations know of her. Whereas Beethoven is very well known for his music for hundreds of years after his death, across generations. I doubt many folk on the street could say much about his life, nor what his underpants looked like, unlike Kylie and Madonna, but Da da da daaaa "everyone" has heard.

But, Beethoven isn't famous because of how well or not he played the piano.

Madonna scores don't sell for millions, I doubt many buy the mass produced ones. She's never had her complete works played on a radio station one after the other. Whereas Beethoven didn't make any records to compare sales..How well do cover versions of Madonna's hits sell by comparison to Beethoven's?

[avetma]

better, infinitely better

ok, but why are you telling me? please show me where is said Maksim is better than all pianist. I used the word GREATEST. That was in a release message on the EMI site.

Greatest, does not mean technically the best pianist. Greatest meaning could me most succesful pianist.

Varijacije Na Medimursku Tema/ Variations On The Theme From Medimurje (Mladen Tarbuk)
Igra Staklenih Perli/ A Play Of Glass Beads (Ivo Josipovic)
Pet Intermezza/ Five Intermezzos (Sanja Drakulic)
Moderato misterioso
Allegro giusto
Grave
Allegro molto, ben ritmico
Presto assai
Dva Preludija/ Two Preludes (Antun Tomislav Saban)
Preludij I./ Prelude 1
Preludij II./ Prelude 2
Sest Bagatela/ Six Bagatelles (Srecko Bradic)
Grave- Prestissimo
Quasi burlesca
Presto brillante
Presto ritmico
Largo
Allegro vivio
NeuroTran/Neurosis (Kresimir Selectkovic)
Ples Barunice/ Dance Of The Baroness (Franco Parac)
Geste/ Gestures (Dubravko Detoni)

JOSEPH HAYDN
Sonata u C-duru (1767)
Moderato
Menuet, Trio
Finale, Presto

KREŠIMIR SELETKOVIĆ
Neurosis

SANJA DRAKULIĆ
Pet intermezza
Moderato misteriozo
Allegro giusto
Grave
Allegro molto, ben ritmico
Presto assai

****

JOHANNES BRAHMS
Sonata op. 5 u f-molu
Allegro maestoso
Andante espressivo
Scherzo, Allegro energico
Intermezzo, Andante molto

Flight of the bumble bee, Rach Piano concerto no2, Nocturne in D flat Major (Chopin), Nocturne in Eflat major (chpin), Aria From gold berg variaitons, Scrabin etude in Dsharp Minor Patetico, Pictures at an exhibition, Hungarian RHapsody no2, Nocturne In C Sharp Minor (chopin), Mazurka in F minor Op.7, No.3 (chopin), Haydn’s C major piano concerto with an orchestra (at the age of 9), Davorin KEMPF Zvukolik (1988), Nocturne en ut dièse mineur (op. posth.), Nocturne en ré bémol mineur (op. 27 n°2), Nocturne en fa mineur (op. 55 n°1)  Sonate en ut majeur (1767) Moderato |Menuet, trio | Finale, presto (haydn)

but wait, thats NOT classical music is it? ...biggest statement of sarcasm.

COPIED FROM A SITE:

He was presented with the award given by the Austrian Rotary Club in 1998 and the first prize at the International Piano Contest Nicolai Rubinstein in Paris in 1999. He won the first prize at the Portoise Piano Competition in Paris in 2001.
He performed in all major Croatian cities, and in Paris, Budapest, St.Petersburg, Vienna, Salzburg and Geneva. He has collaborated so far with the Symphony Orchestra of the Croatian Radio Television as well as with the Symphony Orchestra of the Music Academy in Zagreb.

He won the first prize at the National Competition for the students of music in Zagreb, the award given by the Rector of Zagreb University in the academic year 1997/98

---------------------------

honestly, what do you think he played? or are you too ignorant to think that he actually played solo pieces.

Dude, i can't find every single solo piece he has done.

Gestures, his disc of contemporary Croatian piano pieces, he was realistic. He expected it to shift a handful of copies and languish on the shelves like so many other experimental CDs. But he was wrong. It became one of the fastest-selling classical recordings ever to be released in Croatia, and ended up winning four Porin (Croatian Grammies) including one for Best Classical Album. Maksim was even invited to open the Porin award ceremony - an honour not usually granted to a classical artist and caused a sensation with his performance of The Dance of the Baroness.

I DIDN'T WRITE THAT.

And could you please tell me how many his classical pieces are more known than 10-15 crossover and non-classical?

What do you think, if there wasn't Exodus, Bumble-bee, Croatian-Rhapsody and similar. - would he be famous? Based on these classical pieces you listed?
He wouldn't! Right? So - he became famous only thanks to easy-to-listen pop songs. Why is he now trying to back on classical by playing Rach 2 etc.? That's another question. Probably he is tired himself of all those pop songs. But, you must admit that he is famous ONLY and ONLY thanks to pop and techno music. His classical playing is not on higher level than any average highschoo student.

I would like to conclude this. Because I don't see an end of this stupid discussion. I see that it is most difficult to explain something that is in basics stupid to even talk about.

It is not fair to say that Mrvica is just some poor little looser. He isn't. He is pop-techno artist. And bringing classical elements to young people. And (besides making fun of whole pieces) he introduce something new to youth. He is entertainer. And not a bed one. But, I am beging you - don't define him as classical pianist. You just shame real classical pianists that way.

p.s. I am from Croatia. Don't tell me about concerts and awards here. If you have money - you can win every award you want and play on every event you want. Paris and Krešo can say is it so.

[jay_maksim]

ok,

just answer this:

if when he played Rach no2, was that not classical? was he being a classical pianist on that night? i know he played flight of the bumble bee after.

So on that night he was a classical pianist and a crossover.

yes i know the Crossover music is the main part of his fame, but there is no denying that he became famous in Croatia (or got reconised) becuase of his album Gestures (Contemporary).

p.s. I am from Croatia. Don't tell me about concerts and awards here. If you have money - you can win every award you want and play on every event you want.

Ok, i didn't know where you are from, but i am from England and i have got money.... so does that mean if i go to Croatia and pay i can win every single competition? and all major competitions? and get all awards i want.... then does that mean i will be reconised/famous in your country?... and then progress from there and eventually get really rich and famous?

Btw, Maksim was very poor, i don't know if he would have been able to afford the money to cheat.

Oh and if he is trying to get back into classical, why did he just do an asian tour (50 concerts) plus now preparing to do more concerts in Japan.

But, I am beging you - don't define him as classical pianist. You just shame real classical pianists that way.

I never ment that ANY of his crossover pieces are classical, i only ment pieces such as Rach2, Hungarian Rhapsody etc.. i never ment pieces like Grieg's.

[paris]

is madonna greater than beethoven?
no, but she seels more records and is more famous.
same with maksim.

i like that what you said stevie, your whole post is exactly what i wanted to say   

if when he played Rach no2, was that not classical? was he being a classical pianist on that night? i know he played flight of the bumble bee after.

So on that night he was a classical pianist and a crossover.

i haven't heard his playing rachmaninoff 2nd, but according to critics he failed in prooving as classical pianist.

p.s. I am from Croatia. Don't tell me about concerts and awards here. If you have money - you can win every award you want and play on every event you want. Paris and Krešo can say is it so.

when it comes to classical competitions here in croatia, more-less is fair, but when talking about porin awards and other non-classical awards everything is fake.

[jay_maksim]

i  haven't heard his playing rachmaninoff 2nd, but according to critics he failed in prooving as classical pianist

wow, so basically you are all saying it is physically/mentaly/emotionaly/musicaly impossible for Maksim to be a classical pianist, even tho he played a classical piece. That makes total sense

Why is he not a classical pianist since he played a classical piece?

thats like saying, a classical pianist who now plays jazz is not a Jazz pianist becuase critics say he isn't good enough... what??...oh and once he becomes famous for Classical he CAN NOT and i mean CAN NOT be a jazz pianist.

On a Queen DVD i have, they played Funk pieces as well as their rock pieces, undenyably they played funk as well as rock...that is fine and that is acceptable,

Freddie said: WE CAN DO BOTH. WE ARE NOT JUST DOING ONE STYLE OF MUSIC.

but as soon as Maksim plays crossover and classical it's:

Critics say blah blah blah... not classical.

he  played a classical piece. how is it not classical?

why are you comparing Maksim to people? i know the difference.

Maksim is a classical, crossover and contemporary pianist.

[jay_maksim]

Ok.., also we have our own opinions on what Maksim is... thats cool...

no more to discuss here then.

Can anyone transcribe a piece of music for me? the piece is performed by Maksim, it is New World Concerto.

Or give me advice on how to transcribe... i never do it and have not tried before

[leahcim]

wow, so basically you are all saying it is physically/mentaly/emotionaly/musicaly impossible for Maksim to be a classical pianist, even tho he played a classical piece. That makes total sense

I think you're reading it too literally. iI think the point is whether his playing of classical piano music [without the funky instrumental backing] stacks up against the general quality and skill of others that play classical piano. Of course it's opinion, but I think the others are saying no, or at least not putting him as high on the scale of classical pianists that his marketing might be.

So, I think someone who is of the opinion that he isn't very good at classical and notes that his CDs seem to be mainly crap pop isn't going to accept the premise that he is a classical pianist playing pop.
They probably want to judge his classical playing for itself, without taking into account his "cutting edge" fashion and laser light show and whatever other guff his site claims EMI and Bush got excited about.

I think the computing analogy is the article in the BBC or other medai you see from time to time, about some teenager who has created a website , installed windows from a CD, or is in court because he emailed someone a virus who is labelled a  "computer whizzkid" or genius or boffin. I think the term "classical pianist" used by others means more than has played a classical piece. Otherwise just about everyone who has ever played the piano would be a classical pianist, myself included.

It's rather like the blindfolded-one-arm-tied-behind-my-back-and-drinking-a-glass-of-water-while-people-stood-around-trying-to-put-me-off mario game gear fatal1ty overclocked intel inside pianist. He might be good at classical OTOH he might not, but you can bet the premise of his marketing is couched in terms of his classical training giving him the 7ee+ skillz to play arcade classics in variety of novel ways.

In a similar sense, you could ask whether his funky pop music doobries stack up against the general quality and skill of others that do pop / rock [yeah, ok, bear with me] Again, he sounds a bit like Vanessa Mae if she entered the Eurovision song contest imho. ymmv of course.

So afaict, the argument isn't literally about whether he plays a classical piece or not.

[brahmsian]

I think you're reading it too literally. iI think the point is whether his playing of classical piano music [without the funky instrumental backing] stacks up against the general quality and skill of others that play classical piano. Of course it's opinion, but I think the others are saying no, or at least not putting him as high on the scale of classical pianists that his marketing might be.

So, I think someone who is of the opinion that he isn't very good at classical and notes that his CDs seem to be mainly crap pop isn't going to accept the premise that he is a classical pianist playing pop.
They probably want to judge his classical playing for itself, without taking into account his "cutting edge" fashion and laser light show and whatever other guff his site claims EMI and Bush got excited about.

I think the computing analogy is the article in the BBC or other medai you see from time to time, about some teenager who has created a website , installed windows from a CD, or is in court because he emailed someone a virus who is labelled a "computer whizzkid" or genius or boffin. I think the term "classical pianist" used by others means more than has played a classical piece. Otherwise just about everyone who has ever played the piano would be a classical pianist, myself included.

It's rather like the blindfolded-one-arm-tied-behind-my-back-and-drinking-a-glass-of-water-while-people-stood-around-trying-to-put-me-off mario game gear fatal1ty overclocked intel inside pianist. He might be good at classical OTOH he might not, but you can bet the premise of his marketing is couched in terms of his classical training giving him the 7ee+ skillz to play arcade classics in variety of novel ways.

In a similar sense, you could ask whether his funky pop music doobries stack up against the general quality and skill of others that do pop / rock [yeah, ok, bear with me] Again, he sounds a bit like Vanessa Mae if she entered the Eurovision song contest imho. ymmv of course.

So afaict, the argument isn't literally about whether he plays a classical piece or not.

Great post.

[jay_maksim]

ok....

But Maksim has not played one or two classical pieces. He has played loads of classical pieces. When i refer to his techno-pop i have never insisted that that was classical.

If YOU put on a performance of JUST classical pieces for solo piano, what type of concert would you call it?... just 'a concert'?

Another thing, everyone else including you seem to be better than Maksim, you all know every single way in which to be successful, and seem to know everything there is to music. Why aren't you all very famous/reconisable/rich (from your music)?...please answer.

I think you're reading it too literally. iI think the point is whether his playing of classical piano music [without the funky instrumental backing] stacks up against the general quality and skill of others that play classical piano. Of course it's opinion, but I think the others are saying no, or at least not putting him as high on the scale of classical pianists that his marketing might be.

no it doens't. You are saying that a person of whom which plays\performs classical pieces is not a classical pianist. So if some random new person became very famous from playing simple classical pieces (that you could all play) you would regard him as not a classical pianist?... just becuase he is not up to your level/standard when performing.

So, I think someone who is of the opinion that he isn't very good at classical and notes that his CDs seem to be mainly crap pop isn't going to accept the premise that he is a classical pianist playing pop.
They probably want to judge his classical playing for itself, without taking into account his "cutting edge" fashion and laser light show and whatever other guff his site claims EMI and Bush got excited about.

ok, but if you ingnore all his crossover you can see that he is classical.

...isn't going to accept the premise that he is a classical pianist playing pop

Ok, so if i think queen are not very good at ROCK (shoot me for such a stupid suggestion) , and better at funk... then i don't accept the premise that they are a rock band playing funk. DUDE! queen are one of (if not) the most succesfull rock band(s). No fool would say they aren't rock becuase they are playing rock! And if maksim is playing classical, he's playing classical. If queen are playing Rock, they are Rock musicians, if Maksim is playing classical, he a classical musician. Just becuase queen have played funk does not instantly mean "NO WAY, CAN'T BE ROCK NO MORE". No one in their right mind would say Queen aren't rock becuase they play funk aswell. So why say Maksim is't a classical pianist becuase he plays Crossover aswell.

If you as a pianist only played and performed classical, are you and your performances just "A Pianist" and "Piano performances"?

People can be more than one thing in life. Saying you can't be more than two genres of music is foolish. And even more so when the performer can clearly play both.

I think you're reading it too literally

no dude, you being blind to somthing starring you right in the face. Check out these inpossibilites:

Being a scientist and a poet.
Being a footballer (playing on a team) and a rugby player (playing on a team)... thats inpossible, you can't be both!
Or, a model and a musician. You seriously can't be more than two things in life. 

[avetma]

ok....

But Maksim has not played one or two classical pieces. He has played loads of classical pieces. When i refer to his techno-pop i have never insisted that that was classical.

If YOU put on a performance of JUST classical pieces for solo piano, what type of concert would you call it?... just 'a concert'?

Another thing, everyone else including you seem to be better than Maksim, you all know every single way in which to be successful, and seem to know everything there is to music. Why aren't you all very famous/reconisable/rich (from your music)?...please answer.

no it doens't. You are saying that a person of whom which plays\performs classical pieces is not a classical pianist. So if some random new person became very famous from playing simple classical pieces (that you could all play) you would regard him as not a classical pianist?... just becuase he is not up to your level/standard when performing.

ok, but if you ingnore all his crossover you can see that he is classical.

Ok, so if i think queen are not very good at ROCK (shoot me for such a stupid suggestion) , and better at funk... then i don't accept the premise that they are a rock band playing funk. DUDE! queen are one of (if not) the most succesfull rock band(s). No fool would say they aren't rock becuase they are playing rock! And if maksim is playing classical, he's playing classical. If queen are playing Rock, they are Rock musicians, if Maksim is playing classical, he a classical musician. Just becuase queen have played funk does not instantly mean "NO WAY, CAN'T BE ROCK NO MORE". No one in their right mind would say Queen aren't rock becuase they play funk aswell. So why say Maksim is't a classical pianist becuase he plays Crossover aswell.

If you as a pianist only played and performed classical, are you and your performances just "A Pianist" and "Piano performances"?

People can be more than one thing in life. Saying you can't be more than two genres of music is foolish. And even more so when the performer can clearly play both.

no dude, you being blind to somthing starring you right in the face. Check out these inpossibilites:

Being a scientist and a poet.
Being a footballer (playing on a team) and a rugby player (playing on a team)... thats inpossible, you can't be both!
Or, a model and a musician. You seriously can't be more than two things in life. 

You should remove your 'dude' language and comparation with everybody. Lets focus on Mrvica.

"...Why aren't you all very famous/reconisable/rich (from your music)?...please answer...."
- Answer is simple! I (and probably the rest of crew too) dont want to make money from pop and techno music. I am still a student. And I hope I will be famous some day. But I dont want to do EVERYTHING to be rich/successuful (...)! I can be a teacher too if I dont make it on TV! And I will still be proud on what I am working.

I am not so cheap to play dirty-game like he did. Hoho-I am good looking guy - so lets make few songs so crowd finds out who am I; and when I became rich and famous - I will back on classical again. And for him - it is working.

You think that all those people really came to listen Rach 2?  Come on... 90% od them came only because he is Maksim Mrvica. And he is Maksim Mrvica only thanks to easy-to-listen pop songs. (Remember begining of discussion? Now we have `Perpetuum Mobile`)

If you still want to deny it - I am not going to discuss any more.

I think that every single member who read this 2 pages is aware of that who is Maksim, what does he play and whats his qualities.

Ante

[jay_maksim]

You should remove your 'dude' language and comparation with everybody. Lets focus on Mrvica.

Yes Sir!.... and you really think i am going to change my language and obey you becuase you want me to? LOL! ...silly person.

When i ment that question i ment it as in a Classical Pianist. Not from techno-pop.

Well yeah of course they went to see the concert because it was Maksim! if it was you, then you would have gotten 10% of the audience. Therefore, what Maksim did that night was play a classical piece, and becuase of the younger generation who know of Maksim and his Tech pop, they went to the concert and what they heard was classical. (Rach 2 is classical right? or since Maksim played it... no longer classical?)...and younger people heard classical music. - Just what Maksim wanted. And i quote:

[jay_maksim]

"I just want to reach as many people of all ages with classical music. That’s my dream." -Maksim Mrvica.

[leahcim]

You are saying that a person of whom which plays\performs classical pieces is not a classical pianist.

I haven't said that at all. I said your literal definition is not what I considered others are saying.

Someone can be a scientist and a poet. Equally I or someone else can call me a classical pianist, or a scientist or a poet.

But I wouldn't even consider myself a pianist. [There has been a thread discussing that topic]. I'm learning to play the piano. A beginner. A complete amateur.

See? The point you seemed to miss was that in the description, beyond the literal meaning "someone who plays classical pieces", whether that's one piece or millions of them, there is a certain expectation of ability amongst peers. Disagree with that by all means, but disagree with what was said, not with the daft idea that anyone has said you can't play rugby and football.

e.g You can call yourself a scientist, get very famous promoting yourself and some junk that looks like science to the general public. Sell lots of books with science in the title. In other words, you can be like many Christians or Captain "Kevin Warick" Cyborg. However, I think many would say in much the same sense that folk here have used the phrase you objected to, that these folks aren't scientists.

"I just want to reach as many people of all ages with classical music. That’s my dream." -Maksim Mrvica.

It's called "PR" - they all say it, for example :-

Universal Classics and Jazz managing director Bill Holland said: "Myleene [Klass] is one of the greatest talents I've ever heard.  "Her mission is to eradicate the barriers between pop and classical music."

[avetma]

We should stop with convinsing him. Because:

1) He is not polite enough to have conversation with him.
2) He is not smart enough to stop reading his own posts and try to understand some of ours.

Goodbye,
Ante

[jay_maksim]

hey, thats fine we can each have an opinion. 

I supose the reason for this is becuase Maksim is my favourite artist and when people put him down i don't believe it is fair, hence why i talk back. I'm sure you would be the same with your favourite artists/pianists/musicians.

Not everyone can like the same style of music, and that fine 

how ever, i still believe in what i say, and i'm sure the same applys for you 

[chromatickler]

MAKSIM in 2002, playing a full length solo recital

https://www.amb-croatie.fr/culture/mrvica2002.htm

the program:

Joseph HAYDN
(1732 - 1809)
Sonate en ut majeur (1767)
Moderato
Menuet, trio
Finale, presto


Frédéric CHOPIN
(1810 - 1854)
Nocturne en fa mineur (op. 55 n°1)
Nocturne en ré bémol mineur (op. 27 n°2)
Nocturne en ut dièse mineur (op. posth.)


Davorin KEMPF
(1947)
Zvukolik (1988)


Johannes BRAHMS
(1833 - 1897)
Sonate en fa mineur (op. 5) (1853)
Allegro maestroso
Andante espressivo
Scherzo, allegro energico
Intermezzo, andante molto
Finale, allegro moderato ma rubato

[etudes]

wow
3rd Brahms Sonata  really want to hear!