prometheus, adam and eve were smarter than u give them credit for. imagine they asked God why the moon grew larger and smaller (phases) and He responded with an answer that included something about the earth casting a shadow.
I don't see how imagining stories is going to help this discussion.
you realize that it's God causing the muscles to start to contract and push a baby out. did u realize that first these muscles squeeze one way and then at the very end of birth suddenly switch and push another way? what causes these muscle contractions?
That is what muscles do. contract. It is really no miracle and no more a miracle then playing piano or typing a keyboard. How do muscles contract? That is very simple. What activates them? That will be more complex but it is not very strange that the body of the mother 'knows' that there is a baby inside. I mean, it is not that strange.
Of course all these processes are complex and amazing. But evolution explains how all this was possible to develop.
it's like the action of ur heart. what causes it to continuously squeeze and pump blood? the valves to open and not open.
Of course the action of the heart. As for the valves, they are naturally closed. When pressure is increased, because of the contractions of the heart muscles, they open.
i think how long a man/woman lives depends upon God and how long He allows their heart to operate.
Just two weeks ago I was very shocked that my father was diagnosed with a failing heart. He is only 49 and played soccer on a regular basis against people of my age. But now he is unable to do much. I guess I just have to laught about the fact that you think your god wants my father to die. And even if she wants to do that she has to come up with something else because my father is now on medicine. Also, I really have to laugh at a god that claims to be all powerful but that needs to kill someone through a chronic heart disease. Out of all things... What is wrong with a good old lightning bolt?
if early man was allowed to live a long period of time - what is that to us todaY?
Obviously people didn't live that long in ancient times.
i guess that our difference is in the idea of what has been 'proven.'
You mean 'if someone requires any indication or evidence'. Surely one cannot argue about if someothing has been proven or not if there is no evidence at all.
can we prove early man lived longer than 120 years?
You can try. But when you determine the age based on the skeletons of ancient people you will find out most died before 40.
i don't know if any mummies have been autopsied so that we know any ages that are much longer than the normal human lifespan today.
Of course these don't exist. It would make no sense at all. How can it be that people in ancient times lived longer? Not many animals get to be very old. And humans only score a little bit above average. Why should humans of ancient times, without any medicine or high quality food, be able to live insanely long lives? And why has this changed?
it woiuld be interesting to see if lifespan and dna are somewhat synonymous and what causes a lifespan to be what it is.
You mean according to species? The age of creatures is determined by darwinism. Creatures get older when getting older is an advantage. If it is then these mutations get selected and over time they add up to something significant.
Of course the time it takes for a creature to become mature is the most significant property for determing age. It would be impossible for a species to exist that die of old age before they become fertile. They would be unable to get offspring and thus their parents wouldn't have been able to give birth to them.
Important for this aspect is body size. The bigger you need to be the longer it takes to grow to that size.
Another aspect is how long you need to be a parent. If you die before your children are independent then your children will die and your genes will die. If getting older gives you an advantage in terms of educating your children then your children will have more offspring. This means your genes get selected.
some talk about diet - but i dont' think that can give u any more than 10-20 years (non smoking/drinking).
Of course life style only modifies your genetic age. Japanese people are famous for these. They generally get quite old. Maybe even 78 on average, I don't remember.
But if you feed a one day fly a japanese meal it will of course never reach 78 years. Actually these flies do live longer than one day. But after a week or so they will die. They do not need to live longer. Maybe this is a silly example but this does show the main factor behind age.
btw, i am re-reading ur posts again today because i do read and listen to what u say, too and am not just saying what i think without considering ur points.
Ok, at least you are trying. I must say it has not been that bad this discussion. And of course this is an internet discussion, that is never effective.
sometimes when people want to prove the bible thru saying scientific things - they are not always using scientific thought to their advantage.
Yes, but this topic is not about religion. It is about the nature of life on our earth.
looking up at the stars in the evening sky convinces me that of all the billions of stars and galaxies - ours is one in how many billions that contains man - life - sustenance. how could this be chance?
We don't know how much life there is in the universe. We don't know how rare our planet is. As for chance. Even if the chance is small. Small chances do happen. Like you said there are a lot of stars. The chance of there being life one one of them is quite large because of the great amount of stars.
But, the chance of live being on this one planet could be small. But, if there was no life on this planet then we wouldn't be there to observe it. I mean, the chance that there is life on the planet we live on is 100%.
Plus, chance is irrelevant. It does not support creationism. In potential it could only make evolution unlikely.