for those who havent witnessed the legend ; THIS is Ingolf Wunder

[gruffalo]

is he still doing competitions? or has he got some sort of record deal yet?

Gruff

[stevie]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ingolf_Wunder

HAHAHAHAHAHAH

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A Pianist of the next generation.

is he still doing competitions? or has he got some sort of record deal yet?

Gruff

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[stevie]

[bearzinthehood]

How about playing all the notes then instead of going for a world speed record.

[practicingnow]

deaf AND blind? 

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No he's right, and Wunder's face reacts when it happens, but it is almost nothing anyway, just one small scratch in the RH middle of Op.10 no.2, and a Db octave where it's supposed to be an Eb octave in the left hand in Op.10 no.2 (his face reacts here too)...
Stevie, I really don't agree that this is the minimum speed for the Winter Wind.  Don't you think that the spirit of the left hand is obliterated at that speed?  The LH melody almost sounds like a Sousa march now.  It would be completely comical sounding, except that the technique he shows is simply incredible.  Still, it's not prestissimo, or even presto con fuoco, it's marked allegro con brio, and Chopin had it right I think.  It would be more admirable, if less physically astounding, if he could show even more understanding of the spirit of the piece AND play cleanly and brilliantly.
I think the Winter Wind is simply more beautiful when it's played a little more slowly, but it's true that his technique really is amazing.
I do have one question though.  On Mr. Wunder's personal website, there is a quote on the homepage:
"so that it seems to lie before him like an immense landscape, revealed to the eye at a single glance" - S.Richter
I find this quite amazing, since Ingolf Wunder would have been 12 years old when Richter died...

[da jake]

Berman plays 10/2 faster, therefore Wunder's is irrelevant.

The Winterwind sounds like crap.

I hate Wunder's playing.

[sevencircles]

Funny thing about Wunder is that he looks like someone who can´t play.

[sevencircles]

Also, I respect him cause he started playing the Piano seriously when he was 14 years old and still he already reached a very high level. Wunder is born in 1985, so I guess he is about 21 years old right now.... Still plenty of time to reach an even higher level.

Volodos didn´t really start to play  until he was 16.

He is supposed one hell of a quick-learner to.  Maybe the greatest since Saint-Saines.

[mephisto]

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[da jake]

Wunder? Some kind of amazing prodigy?

Harold Bauer.

Sorry, thank you... good morning!

[stevie]

Wunder? Some kind of amazing prodigy?

Harold Bauer.

Sorry, thank you... good morning!

[quasimodo]

Funny thing about Wunder is that he looks like someone who can´t play.

What does someone who can play look like  ?

[sevencircles]

"What does someone who can play look like "

Like Marc-Andre Hamelin perhaps

You can almost tell that he is a good sightreader and a serious person when you see him.

[franz_]

Maybe the greatest since Saint-Saines.

Who's that?

[chromatickler]

Berman plays 10/2 faster, therefore Wunder's is irrelevant.

The Winterwind sounds like crap.

I hate Wunder's playing.

Berman's 10/2 is a studio recording and is thus irrelevant. Wunder also play the winterwind much faster than Berman, therefore Berman is once agan irrelevant.

i'd have really liked to say Berman's 10/2 sound like crap, but i just don't like subjectivity.

[brewtality]

Volodos didn´t really start to play  until he was 16.

He is supposed one hell of a quick-learner to.  Maybe the greatest since Saint-Saines.

I wouldn't believe that for a second.

[chromatickler]

He is supposed one hell of a quick-learner to.  Maybe the greatest since Saint-Saines.

his recital programs give absolutely zero indication of this. Instead they indicate a performable repertoire literally 1/50th of for example, Hamelin's

[dreamplaying]

of course, people with unique technique produce unique musical results.

If you were right a robot with a better technique than Wunder's would have better musical results. I think Technique IS NOT associated or correlated with Musicality

[sevencircles]

his recital programs give absolutely zero indication of this. Instead they indicate a performable repertoire literally 1/50th of for example, Hamelin's

True.

Some people say that the reason for this is that  Volodos the laziest virtuoso out there.

He rarely spends more then an hour a week at the piano according to some sources.

It doesn´t have to be true though.

[houseofblackleaves]

I reeeeaally liked the 10/2.  It's probobly my favorite recording ever.

Winterwind I can't say as much, but his interpretation was a little too "non-image," and lacked the slightly slower passion of other interps. that I've heard.  I like the peice played fast, but, not  ZOOOM ZOOOOM RUNNAWWWAAAYY GAAHAHHH *crash*

I still enjoyed it though.

[jakev2.0]

Berman's 10/2 is a studio recording and is thus irrelevant. Wunder also play the winterwind much faster than Berman, therefore Berman is once agan irrelevant.

i'd have really liked to say Berman's 10/2 sound like crap, but i just don't like subjectivity.

My comment was in keeping with the sdc precept 'zpeed definez the winnah'...in which case Berman's timing renders Wunder's 10/2 irrelevant. Studio recording? Why do you think this matters at all? Some magical force that makes pianists play slower live?

If you wanted to get into semantics: from the sound of it, Berman is playing the 10/2 on a lighter-action piano.  Still, Berman's tone in general is consistently better than Wunder's thin, unsatisfactory, brittle sound.

----anyway, it's really sad that there are so many threads dedicated to pseudo-virtuosic, averagely-musical pianists like Wunder. Berman is not a great musician (at ALL), but his recordings at least have entertainment value that extend beyond the timing.

[mephisto]

. Berman is not a great musician (at ALL), but his recordings at least have entertainment value that extend beyond the timing.

I hae always thought that he was one of your favourite pianist?

His Janaceck Sonata is great.

[jakev2.0]

I really enjoy some of the insane virtuosity in his recordings like in the '59 Transcendentals and the Feinberg Tchaikovsky Transcription.

And yeah, the Janacek is really an exception. Beautiful playing there. 

But in general, I do not think he is a deep musician.

[sevencircles]

Berman was rumoured to be the worst sightreader of all the classical world class virtuosos.

That includes Brendel and Hofmann.

[brewtality]

Berman was rumoured to be the worst sightreader of all the classical world class virtuosos.

That includes Brendel and Hofmann.

I really doubt Hofmann was that bad. I'd imagine that he was just a 'poor' sight-reader relative to what one would expect from a person of his ability.