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Offline pies

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Most depressing piece(s)
on: September 03, 2006, 04:23:32 AM
Does anything beat Threnody for the victims of Hiroshima?

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Re: Most depressing piece(s)
Reply #1 on: September 03, 2006, 04:28:12 AM
I'v never heard it, but if you can send me a recording I'd like to listen to it.  Rachmaninoff Prelude in B minor, Op 32 is extremely depressing, and the climax is one of the most powerful, emotional outbursts I've ever heard  ;D
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Re: Most depressing piece(s)
Reply #2 on: September 03, 2006, 04:37:48 AM

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Re: Most depressing piece(s)
Reply #3 on: September 03, 2006, 04:46:16 AM
id agree with the threnody. you can even hear the bombs dopping.
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Re: Most depressing piece(s)
Reply #4 on: September 03, 2006, 04:59:41 AM
Wheu, this piece sounds vaguely like Synaphy by Xenakis.  I think this is too dissonant to be depressing.  I'm not quite sure what a Therenody is, but this piece sounds like something you'd hear in the background of a movie remake of the bomb actually hitting hiroshima.  Maybe that's what makes it depressing, but this is far from 'bring someone to tears' depressing.
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Re: Most depressing piece(s)
Reply #5 on: September 03, 2006, 05:18:23 AM
ok, here is something completely tonal: scharwenka's 1st piano concerto. that piece is very solemn and serious almost all the way through. it almost moves me to tears. same with his 3rd piano concerto.
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Re: Most depressing piece(s)
Reply #6 on: September 03, 2006, 06:51:11 AM
The 3rd movt. of Prok 2nd sonata is so depressing.
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Re: Most depressing piece(s)
Reply #7 on: September 03, 2006, 06:57:24 AM
Late Liszt:

Lugubre Gondola 1 and 2
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La Notte
Nuage Gris
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Re: Most depressing piece(s)
Reply #8 on: September 03, 2006, 08:27:35 AM
Scriabin "Funeral March" from the 1st piano sonata. That's pretty sad... and beautiful.

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Re: Most depressing piece(s)
Reply #9 on: September 03, 2006, 08:34:30 AM
How about Chopin's Op.35, No.2, Sonata (Funeral March) in Bb minor?
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Re: Most depressing piece(s)
Reply #10 on: September 03, 2006, 08:42:07 AM
parts of the verdi requiem, or for a piano piece chopin e minor prelude

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Re: Most depressing piece(s)
Reply #11 on: September 03, 2006, 10:00:06 AM
I don't know what to choose. I would also classify between "depressing" and "emotionally sad", because it can be on, the other, or both.
Mozart's requiem is definitely a good example of the latter, but the thredony is definitely a purely depressing one. I think I heard something similar once which made me feel so awful that I had to turn it off before i threw up!
I don't know what that was called, but it was definitely very similar to the thredony.

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Re: Most depressing piece(s)
Reply #12 on: September 03, 2006, 02:27:49 PM
A musical masterpiece of art

Tragically butchered by the amateur

Who knows not the extent of his failure.



There's your answer.

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Re: Most depressing piece(s)
Reply #13 on: September 03, 2006, 04:50:12 PM
Bach - Erbarme Dich

Quiet depressed to.
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Re: Most depressing piece(s)
Reply #14 on: September 03, 2006, 05:30:12 PM
of course there's also the doppelganger by Schubert

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Re: Most depressing piece(s)
Reply #15 on: September 03, 2006, 10:02:15 PM
of course there's also the doppelganger by Schubert

Or "Frühlingsglaube" by Schubert. A strangely sad song--in a major key!

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Re: Most depressing piece(s)
Reply #16 on: September 04, 2006, 09:18:06 AM
Chopin's Prelude No. 2.... so bad it's depressing.
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Re: Most depressing piece(s)
Reply #17 on: September 04, 2006, 02:22:21 PM
Chopin's Prelude No. 2.... so bad it's depressing.

I think you mean: I have bad musical taste. I can`t appreciate that some composers write music that is way ahead of their time.

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Re: Most depressing piece(s)
Reply #18 on: September 04, 2006, 04:11:27 PM
A musical masterpiece of art

Tragically butchered by the amateur

Who knows not the extent of his failure.



There's your answer.

Phil
You leapt into piano playing a fully-formed virtuoso, did you?

Górecki's Symphony no.3 is deeply depressing, when you know the stories behind it. Or, rather, what it stands for is depressing. The music itself is dark and very moving, but really beautiful. The climax of the first movement is electrifying.

The problem with talking about depressing music is that is it has the power to depress you, it must be a great piece of music. Therefore, you tend to enjoy it anyway. :) What's more depressing, in my opinion, is the generic, indistinguishable pop crap the industry's churning out.

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Re: Most depressing piece(s)
Reply #19 on: September 04, 2006, 05:45:00 PM
Beethoven Op 10/3 Second movement. 
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Re: Most depressing piece(s)
Reply #20 on: September 04, 2006, 06:13:31 PM
Chopin's Prelude No. 2.

Along with this, Mozart's Fantasy in c minor K.475, Barber's Ballade and Scriabin's Prelude Op.74 #1.

There are many more, these immediately came to mind.
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Re: Most depressing piece(s)
Reply #21 on: September 04, 2006, 07:21:46 PM
You leapt into piano playing a fully-formed virtuoso, did you?

Jas


Yes. Didn't you? ;)

I do believe I can tell the difference in quality between Rudolf Serkin playing Moonlight's 1st mvt. and the guy down the street who just learned it 10 minutes ago. Cut me a little slack.

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Re: Most depressing piece(s)
Reply #22 on: September 13, 2006, 03:50:31 PM
I would say: most bach pieces played by Rosalyn Tureck. My friend and I played her Well tempered clavier in his living room. The music just slowly creep into your heart, and it keeps haunting you, and we felt sadder. Powerful playing, but I don't dare to listen to her playing whenever I feel down. I also have her recording playing Goldberg and Variations in Italian Style,  all have powerful emotional depth.

I cry several times, in listening to Liszt's piano sonate in b, especially those by Martha Argerich and Jorge Bolet. Dunno why?

Bach's partitas also feel quite depressing.

Some Chopin's prelude also quite sad.

Some 2nd movements of Mozart's piano sonata. His a minor piano sonata always makes me feel sad.

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Re: Most depressing piece(s)
Reply #23 on: September 13, 2006, 04:32:21 PM
I recently played "From a Log Cabin" by MacDowell.  [Hope I have the wording of the title correct.]

While the piece was interesting, I found it so somber as to almost be depressing.

Not everything MacDowell writes is that gloomy -- but quite a few of his pieces are.

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Re: Most depressing piece(s)
Reply #24 on: September 13, 2006, 04:57:25 PM
Chopin's op. 39 Scherzo gets to me.

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Re: Most depressing piece(s)
Reply #25 on: September 13, 2006, 07:25:22 PM
Or "Frühlingsglaube" by Schubert. A strangely sad song--in a major key!

How on earth does that qualify as a depressing song? I sang that ages ago! :P

Ever hear Schubert's "Romanze" - the vocal piece with the clarinet accompianment? I absolutely adore it. (Coincidentally, it also qualifies as a pretty depressing song..) The very first line goes, "I linger restless all alone...", etc., etc.


Anyways, onto depressing repetoire...
Quite honestly, Liszt or Beethoven doesn't really do it for me in that sense - I usually sense this..dismal FRUSTRATION, controlled chaos (at times)...never a pure, lasting sadness. By the end of the piece, I've usually feel resolved, not sad!

Any requiem most certainly will qualify as depressing....
Mozart's is my favorite, of course.  Who can hear the "Lacrimosa" and not cry? (And I know this comment is going to make me look absolutely insipid, but it was actually used on an American Cartoon show called "Hey Arnold" when one of the characters was in a depression. Everytime you'd see her sobbing her eyes out in a dark room, the music would come on...hilarious!)


There is a relatively obscure piece from Tchaikovsky's Nutcracker (people don't necessarily associate it with the ballet, that is)...it always makes me emotional.
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Re: Most depressing piece(s)
Reply #26 on: September 14, 2006, 08:31:27 PM
How on earth does that qualify as a depressing song? I sang that ages ago! :P

It has a subtle typical viennese melancholy. 'Everything is blooming and I don't know, where that's gonna end...'

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Re: Most depressing piece(s)
Reply #27 on: September 14, 2006, 09:00:58 PM
Beethoven Op 10/3 Second movement. 

It's arguably one of the best slow sonata mvts ever written. But, at least to me, it's very sad, not depressing. Schubert's music is in general much more depressing than Beethoven's. And this is paradoxically more the case with his major than minor pieces. I think that is because many of Schubert's pieces in major mode are not about happiness, but about the illusion of happiness. And that is, of course, terribly sad.
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Re: Most depressing piece(s)
Reply #28 on: September 16, 2006, 05:21:49 AM
Shostakovich's 5th symphony..

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Re: Most depressing piece(s)
Reply #29 on: September 16, 2006, 03:02:40 PM
id agree with the threnody. you can even hear the bombs dopping.

if i remember correctly he came up with the title well after finishing the piece, it's widely thought it has nothing to do with Hiroshima.

i nominate the middle movement from Bartok's Concerto for Orchestra.

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Re: Most depressing piece(s)
Reply #30 on: September 20, 2006, 01:57:51 AM
Piano Sonata #1, Shostakovich.

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Re: Most depressing piece(s)
Reply #31 on: September 22, 2006, 04:39:26 PM
The Tristan and Isolde Leibestod always depresses me.
But I'd have to say anything by Schnittke (although he may be more on the creepy/uncomfortable side)
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Re: Most depressing piece(s)
Reply #32 on: January 30, 2007, 11:49:04 AM
Shostakovich last streichquartet s quite deadly  ;)

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Re: Most depressing piece(s)
Reply #33 on: January 30, 2007, 12:45:19 PM
While we're at Shostakovich, his thirteenth symphony is also quite gloomy and depressing in places...
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Re: Most depressing piece(s)
Reply #34 on: January 31, 2007, 02:17:52 AM
Anything Lang Lang plays/performed
and then think of the statement 'Lang Lang is the future of classical music.'

that should get u depressed
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Re: Most depressing piece(s)
Reply #35 on: January 31, 2007, 04:45:01 AM
Anything Lang Lang plays/performed
and then think of the statement 'Lang Lang is the future of classical music.'

that should get u depressed

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Re: Most depressing piece(s)
Reply #36 on: January 31, 2007, 11:30:19 AM
Have anyone seen the movie "Requiem for a dream"?  The whole soundtrack is sooo depressing (fits well to a depressing and suicidal movie). You can get the idea here:

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Re: Most depressing piece(s)
Reply #37 on: January 31, 2007, 10:48:43 PM
There have only been two pieces that have made me cry.  One was Bolet's recording of the Wagner-Liszt Tannhauser Overture, and the other was the Corigliano Etude Fantasy because I broke my L4 practicing it =/

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Re: Most depressing piece(s)
Reply #38 on: January 31, 2007, 11:00:52 PM
There have only been two pieces that have made me cry.  One was Bolet's recording of the Wagner-Liszt Tannhauser Overture, and the other was the Corigliano Etude Fantasy because I broke my L4 practicing it =/
But at least, for you, there's time (for more, in due course, that is)...

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Re: Most depressing piece(s)
Reply #39 on: February 02, 2007, 02:01:19 PM

my two cents

I agree the second Chopin Prelude is depressing, but it is a wonderful piece and harder than it seems. See the movie Autumn Sonata and watch Ingrid Bergman and Liv Ulman play it for each other.

I also think that Debussy's prelude '...Des pas sur la neige' is utterly bleak (though beautiful).

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Re: Most depressing piece(s)
Reply #40 on: February 11, 2007, 09:40:10 PM
How about Ravel's "Le Gibet?"

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Re: Most depressing piece(s)
Reply #41 on: February 11, 2007, 09:58:03 PM
Brahms Hungarian Dances are depressing, nauseating, and ... laxative as well.

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Re: Most depressing piece(s)
Reply #42 on: February 19, 2007, 12:50:42 PM
Brahms Hungarian Dances are depressing, nauseating, and ... laxative as well.
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Re: Most depressing piece(s)
Reply #43 on: November 05, 2007, 05:56:14 PM
I've always found Chopin's Etude in E-flat minor (op. 10 no. 6) to be very depressing, even though it manages to end on a major chord.  It has always reminded me of a very solemn, mournful funeral procession.  And speaking of funerals, his Funeral March from Piano Sonata no. 2 is also very sad, but in a different kind of way that I can't really explain.
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Re: Most depressing piece(s)
Reply #44 on: November 05, 2007, 06:29:25 PM
Main theme of the Forrest Gump movie. Somehow this piece can make me forget any problem, and the other time i play it i get like really sad  ??? . I dont get it either :p
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Re: Most depressing piece(s)
Reply #45 on: November 05, 2007, 07:38:18 PM
I'm not quite sure what a Therenody is,

Threnody: A poem or song of mourning or lamentation. [Greek thrēnōidiā : thrēnos , lament + aoidē, ōidē]

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Re: Most depressing piece(s)
Reply #46 on: November 05, 2007, 08:10:24 PM
Josef Suk's 'Asrael Symphony' is pretty mournful in places.
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Re: Most depressing piece(s)
Reply #47 on: November 05, 2007, 08:48:05 PM
Someone (no names mentioned) nominated the opening section of the finale of my own string quintet; I ain't sayin' nuttin (except that it is known to a certain Richard Black!)...

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Re: Most depressing piece(s)
Reply #48 on: November 05, 2007, 08:50:17 PM
elegie - rachmaninov from opus 3

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Re: Most depressing piece(s)
Reply #49 on: November 06, 2007, 12:12:26 AM
Elegy in C-sharp, op. 42 by Bortkiewicz
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