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What would be more difficult?

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Offline presto agitato

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What would be more difficult?
on: October 20, 2006, 07:43:08 PM
Chopinīs Etude Op 10-12 (Left hand in octaves, as played by Alexander Dreyschock)
Chopinīs Etude Op 25-2 (Right hand octaves, as played by Franz Liszt)

IMO Op 10-12 is harder
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Re: What would be more difficult?
Reply #1 on: October 20, 2006, 09:04:46 PM
The harder would be Brahm's Chopin op.25 no.2, RH in sixths!

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Re: What would be more difficult?
Reply #2 on: October 20, 2006, 10:31:32 PM
The harder would be Brahm's Chopin op.25 no.2, RH in sixths!

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I tried that.

Tried is the correct word as well.

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Re: What would be more difficult?
Reply #3 on: October 20, 2006, 11:02:49 PM
Chopinīs Etude Op 10-12 (Left hand in octaves, as played by Alexander Dreyschock)
Chopinīs Etude Op 25-2 (Right hand octaves, as played by Franz Liszt)

IMO Op 10-12 is harder

Obviously the 10/12

The harder would be Brahm's Chopin op.25 no.2, RH in sixths!

Walter Ramsey


No, however hard the 6ths and 3rds are in this version, at the same tempo - octaves are more difficult.
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Re: What would be more difficult?
Reply #4 on: October 21, 2006, 04:45:46 AM
Chopinīs Etude Op 10-12 (Left hand in octaves, as played by Alexander Dreyschock)
Chopinīs Etude Op 25-2 (Right hand octaves, as played by Franz Liszt)

IMO Op 10-12 is harder

There is something you must consider. Dreyshock practiced only that for a long time. Liszt was sightreading. Too, it depends of what speed you take it. if dreyshock took it at like 130, and liszt at like 200 (both are probable), then Liszt is harder.

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Re: What would be more difficult?
Reply #5 on: October 25, 2006, 05:00:56 PM
Revolutionary Etude in octaves can be done in waves, so to speak, for each four notes.  My speed would be at my best 105, so if he does it at 130, then kudos to him lol.  That's pretty intense octaves.  If you try doing the 10-12 for a while, you will get good at it.
 
25-2 would use a lot more thought and work, I think, although I have not played it.
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Re: What would be more difficult?
Reply #6 on: October 26, 2006, 07:12:13 AM
being the Liszt freak that i am, i have read many times that they were both at performance tempo....as marked by Chopin...
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Re: What would be more difficult?
Reply #7 on: October 26, 2006, 01:09:08 PM
being the Liszt freak that i am, i have read many times that they were both at performance tempo....as marked by Chopin...
Cheers!
There's, I think, no way that someone can play octaves at 640 a minute (Or more than 10 octaves a second lol...) in that piece.  160 is already hard enough with all fingers lol.  Chopin's marked tempi are actually a good bit higher than the tempi that pianists take, usually, unless you're Richter.
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Offline netzow

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Re: What would be more difficult?
Reply #8 on: October 26, 2006, 03:00:53 PM
Would it not depend on your favored hand? I personally find right hand octaves much easier than left hand octaves. Surprise surprise i'm right handed. My right hand is stronger quicker and more precise. Just my two cents.

Offline dnephi

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Re: What would be more difficult?
Reply #9 on: October 26, 2006, 04:10:27 PM
Would it not depend on your favored hand? I personally find right hand octaves much easier than left hand octaves. Surprise surprise i'm right handed. My right hand is stronger quicker and more precise. Just my two cents.
I'd like to hear more too.  I am right handed and I find that my left hand octaves are somewhat easier, IE sheer speed.  Is it perhaps the weight or the fact that I use my left hand less in daily life?
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Re: What would be more difficult?
Reply #10 on: October 26, 2006, 07:30:56 PM
Btw, wasnt it Liszt himself  who started playing op 10/12 left hand with octaves, because "he found the etude too easy"?
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Re: What would be more difficult?
Reply #11 on: October 27, 2006, 06:14:13 AM
The results of this poll are ridiculous.

Having said that, I am not the type to vote on silly polls like this, so I would accept that most of the more intelligent types also avoided voting.  ;D
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Offline donjuan

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Re: What would be more difficult?
Reply #12 on: November 06, 2006, 07:05:47 PM
this poll is hilariously nerdy

Offline dnephi

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Re: What would be more difficult?
Reply #13 on: November 06, 2006, 09:30:47 PM
this poll is hilariously nerdy
It's true.  But think- how many of them have tried either one?

The 25-2 is harder ;).
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Re: What would be more difficult?
Reply #14 on: November 07, 2006, 07:54:27 AM
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