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Offline choykaiwen

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How do I play this seemingly impossible phrase?
on: December 10, 2006, 02:04:35 PM
Unless I'm missing something here, I have to sustain a note with one finger, and play the next note which is almost 10 white keys away. Is it even physically possible?

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Offline mad_max2024

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Re: How do I play this seemingly impossible phrase?
Reply #1 on: December 10, 2006, 02:09:58 PM
I would use the pedal to sustain the note...

I can't see very well in the sheet but if that's a D then yes, it is possible to play Fsharp,
I can do it
To play the following G however I would have to do a lot of stretching causing a very awkward sound, can still do it with my fingertips but I wouldnt perform it like that...
It is possible, but I think it's a lot easier and sounds better if you use the pedal, especially if your hands are smaller than mine

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Offline mike_lang

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Re: How do I play this seemingly impossible phrase?
Reply #2 on: December 10, 2006, 02:18:25 PM
Definitely use pedal.

Offline choykaiwen

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Re: How do I play this seemingly impossible phrase?
Reply #3 on: December 10, 2006, 02:23:04 PM
That is mighty impressive. The closest I could muster was D to E.

Offline danny elfboy

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Re: How do I play this seemingly impossible phrase?
Reply #4 on: December 10, 2006, 03:06:56 PM
That applies to all pieces
If you can keep a note a stretch many note fat from it you have to release the note and use the pedal. The effect is basically the same

Even though you may believe that not having a tenth may be a problem with many pieces, it's very few passages like this that require a big stretch and in all of them you can use the pedal instead

There was a professional pianist here in the forum who could read a ninth by playing on the tips of the key. So his limit would be (in your piece) D - E

However he plays the whole repertoire from Bach and Mozart to Rachmaninoff and Frank
You can see his website here:
https://www.roberthenry.org/

Offline mad_max2024

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Re: How do I play this seemingly impossible phrase?
Reply #5 on: December 10, 2006, 03:18:30 PM
It's not the size that matters, it's how you use them...
(The hands, of course...)
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Offline archneko

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Re: How do I play this seemingly impossible phrase?
Reply #6 on: December 12, 2006, 07:40:10 AM
you could play it the seperate notes as fast as you can. Like la campanella which has "10+ keys away" chords. :P

Offline ryanyee

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Re: How do I play this seemingly impossible phrase?
Reply #7 on: August 15, 2007, 07:53:28 AM
so is there any way to lengthen our fingers or widen our palms?

Offline spaciiey

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Re: How do I play this seemingly impossible phrase?
Reply #8 on: August 15, 2007, 12:07:22 PM
just use the pedal. Its definitely not impossible. and in answer to ryanyee, there isnt much that I know of.

Offline imbetter

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Re: How do I play this seemingly impossible phrase?
Reply #9 on: August 15, 2007, 03:04:47 PM
use the MIDDLE pedal not the right
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Offline valor

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Re: How do I play this seemingly impossible phrase?
Reply #10 on: August 15, 2007, 04:09:21 PM
I have the same problem except i have to play quicker (and closer) notes in the left hand while the right hand is playing a whole note, i guess i have to use pedal too and play the sixteenths with my right hand, heres what it looks like, measure 3 and 4:

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Re: How do I play this seemingly impossible phrase?
Reply #11 on: August 16, 2007, 12:13:15 PM
You're going to run into this all the time.   Last year I learned the first cadenza to Beethoven's PC 4--at the end there are simultaneous trills in both hands with superimposed notes a tenth away.  This is physically impossible!  (unless you're really good with your nose  ;)) You have to skip the trill note while you hit the distant note. 

In your case, you must use pedal, but just enough not to blur the whole thing.  (or use the sostenuto pedal)

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Re: How do I play this seemingly impossible phrase?
Reply #12 on: August 16, 2007, 01:01:05 PM
use the MIDDLE pedal not the right

If you have a middle sostenuto pedal that is...
If not, you can do it with the right pedal just as well
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