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chopiabin

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1st Mvmnt. of Scriabin's sonata #2.

on: December 21, 2006, 01:01:25 AM

Has anyone played it? I know it's a difficult piece, but I guess I want to know if it gets annoyingly tedious. I've always loved the Scriabin sonatas, and the second is beautiful - plus I think it'll be easier than #5, but also a good intro to his larger works.

Right now I'm working on:

Rach op.32 bminor - 95% done

Chopin op.10#1 - done

op.25#12 - been done 2 yrs

3rd Ballade - 85%

op10#8 - 60%

I've also played a lot of Chopin and Scriabin in the past that I've unfortunately for gotten.

Anyways, some advice would be great.

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chopiabin

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Re: 1st Mvmnt. of Scriabin's sonata #2.

Reply #1 on: December 22, 2006, 07:31:48 AM

Any advice on the piece in general?

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hodi

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Re: 1st Mvmnt. of Scriabin's sonata #2.

Reply #2 on: December 22, 2006, 12:04:53 PM

i'm just learning it and about to finish it

the biggest difficulty of this movement is the rhythm.. the _whole_ piece is polyrhytmic to death
u need a great sense of rhythm to play it

also, better have some big hands for this piece (if u can easy do 11th it's great, but u can roll most of the chords)

musically it's also preety difficult. it's easy to play this piece boring. there are also many dynamic marks

there aren't many technical issues, and most of the technical issues can be easily overcome with some practice
but the whole polyrhytmic passages.. require great deal of patience.. don't except to play it so fast and smooth when u start learning it

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chopiabin

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Re: 1st Mvmnt. of Scriabin's sonata #2.

Reply #3 on: December 22, 2006, 06:02:24 PM

Let me put it this way.....is it a pregnant dog (to put it simply) to learn?

I just started working on 8#12 a few days ago, and I'm actually doing well with it - the right hand's really not difficult at all, so I'm excited.

Also, how experienced are you? I think you're more advanced than me and have more experience, but I'm not sure.

It's weird - Scriabin and Rachmaninov were my first "favorite" composers, and at first, I couldn't stand a lot of Chopin (probably b/c I had only heard waltzes).
Then I went through a looong Chopin period and I love him, but I'm really in the mood for some "mysticism and melancholy" as well as some heavily chordal/voicing pieces.

I was going to work on Chop. op 10 #'s 4 and 8 (I actually can play this one well hands-separate0, but I decided to bring back Rach op.32#10bminor (sounds a lot better the second time around) and add Scriabin op.8#12, and now I'm debating between his op.8#11 - which I used to play decently - or Chop. op 25#7(?)in c# minor.

Any other advice on Scriabin pieces that I might be able to attempt?

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phil13

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Re: 1st Mvmnt. of Scriabin's sonata #2.

Reply #4 on: December 22, 2006, 07:56:59 PM

Check out the Op.27 pair of Preludes, and especially look for something out of the Op.25 Mazurkas- they're amazing gems, all of them.

Phil

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pita bread

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Re: 1st Mvmnt. of Scriabin's sonata #2.

Reply #5 on: December 22, 2006, 08:03:13 PM

It is "a pregnant dog" in terms of rhythm.

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hodi

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Re: 1st Mvmnt. of Scriabin's sonata #2.

Reply #6 on: December 23, 2006, 01:44:29 AM

Quote from: chopiabin on December 22, 2006, 06:02:24 PM

Let me put it this way.....is it a pregnant dog (to put it simply) to learn?

I just started working on 8#12 a few days ago, and I'm actually doing well with it - the right hand's really not difficult at all, so I'm excited.

Also, how experienced are you? I think you're more advanced than me and have more experience, but I'm not sure.

It's weird - Scriabin and Rachmaninov were my first "favorite" composers, and at first, I couldn't stand a lot of Chopin (probably b/c I had only heard waltzes).
Then I went through a looong Chopin period and I love him, but I'm really in the mood for some "mysticism and melancholy" as well as some heavily chordal/voicing pieces.

I was going to work on Chop. op 10 #'s 4 and 8 (I actually can play this one well hands-separate0, but I decided to bring back Rach op.32#10bminor (sounds a lot better the second time around) and add Scriabin op.8#12, and now I'm debating between his op.8#11 - which I used to play decently - or Chop. op 25#7(?)in c# minor.

Any other advice on Scriabin pieces that I might be able to attempt?

u are more advanced than me.. and i learn pieces preety slow so u may learn it faster

i had some troubles with the rhythm... oh i forgot to say there is a lot of voicing there in addition to the rhythm.. u have to be really good at bringing out melodies.
but i believe u can play it:)

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Re: 1st Mvmnt. of Scriabin's sonata #2.

Reply #7 on: October 13, 2008, 04:53:52 PM

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I was going to work on Chop. op 10 #'s 4 and 8 (I actually can play this one well hands-separate0, but I decided to bring back Rach op.32#10bminor (sounds a lot better the second time around) and add Scriabin op.8#12, and now I'm debating between his op.8#11 - which I used to play decently - or Chop. op 25#7(?)in c# minor.

Any other advice on Scriabin pieces that I might be able to attempt?

Sonata # 2 is always great to learn. I already have Richter's recording of his op. 42 Etudes, selected Preludes, and Sonatas 2, 5, and 9, which is possibly just as incredible as one performer can get when it comes to counterpoint, melodic/harmonic tension, and overall intensity.

In terms of op. 8 #12, 11 is always a challenge or, if taken a step back to contrast the style and mood, Op. 8 #8 or #6. (I always liked the tempo a little slower in #12 so you can actually flex the tempo a bit instead of playing up to 120bpm- just a point of preference, but then again Scriabin suggests b.t 100-120bpm anyway- people can actually listen to an etude that's not "hurried" or anticipating to be finished at a certain time. I say, take all the time needed but don't slouch it.)

Also, might I suggest a Dohnanyi Etude (C Major) out of the blue in case people haven't heard anything out of the ordinary? Or a short piece by Szymanowski as a "warm up" before you tackle the meatier pieces of the repertoire wouldn't hurt either

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