Saddam death penalty

[prometheus]

One of the most influencial Dutch newsagencies reports that Iraqi governmental representatives claim that Hussein was hung by 'outsiders'. That's the headline: "Saddam hung by outsiders'.

The article claims there is a rumour that claims the official executioner team was pushed away by a group of inflintrators acting as executioners. And they excecuted, or rather killed, Hussain.

A major dutch newspaper has a headline 'infiltrants hung Saddam'.


Of course they have the story from the Dutch newsagency. But I can't find any other sources that report the same.

The NSA of Iraq is supposed to have confermed the story partly. But when I search for his name I only find he denied Hussain was hung on the Muslim animal sacrifice holiday.

[ada]

This report is hot off the international wires and isn't yet published.

It says the arrested guards are being questioned over who the "infiltrators" were.

Would post it but can't yet as this would be a copyright breach 

[prometheus]

There will be more arrests soon.

https://edition.cnn.com/2007/WORLD/meast/01/03/saddam.execution/index.html

[ada]

Yeah those are the two that have just been arrested, reportedly.

[prometheus]

It claims 'two more arrests'.

[gilad]

i feel sorry for the way he was killed, the guards, the video, the taunting. the man died with no dignity, a spectacle of sorts.

[wishful thinker]

Do mass murderers deserve dignity in death?  The gassed Kurds didn't look too dignified 

[prometheus]

Doesn't matter.

Aren't we supposed to show that Hussein is a cruel barbarian but we are not?

Anyway, we probably failed to do so. I agree what the director of Human Rights Watch said about the excecution.

Hussein will look a less cruel dictator and human rights violator to future generations because of his flawed trial and excecution.

Instead, this could have been a changing point in histroy. THe future generations could have looked back at this moment in time being the moment where all word leaders responsible for human rights violations would be given a fair trial and will have to defend themselves before trial even if they didn't lose a war.

[alejo_90]

Do mass murderers deserve dignity in death?

Does one mass murderer have the moral authority to sentence another mass murderer to death?

"Body Count"

Civilians reported killed on 9/11: 1366
Civilians reported killed by military intervention in Iraq: Min:52810 / Max:58408

This means that for every innocent person killed on 9/11, aproximately 40 have died by the hands of U.S. troops some time after.

And so, we call Hussein and Bin Laden mass murderers, and make tragic movies about 9/11.

After I find it again, I'll post the link for a page containing a documental about 9/11. It basically tells us that there was no possible way, neither the plane crashes, nor the heat of the fires melting those huge steel beams, could have made the WTC collapse faster than gravity itself. 9/11 was actually an auto-attempt, the WTC was demolished by previously implanted explosives, and so on...

I'm almost sure someone must have seen it by now already, if so, please post the link to it for me.

The Iraq Body Count:
https://www.iraqbodycount.org/#position

Best Wishes, Alex

[ahinton]

This being a piano forum, does anyone have any observation to make about the now dual meaning here of the term "WTC"?

Best,

Alistair

[ahinton]

Sadly, whilst there can be no doubt that the trial and execution of Saddam Hussein were severely flawed (and even the Bush administration appears to want us to believe that it thinks so), so much damage was done in Iraq by Saddam during his dictatorship and so much more by the invaders since his overthrow that it will probably come to make little difference to most Iraqi citizens in the long run how or whether Saddam was tried and/or executed, just as it would have been unlikely to have brought much tangible benefit to certain Chilean sufferes under Pinochet had Pinochet been tried and/or executed either well or badly rather than getting away with it; one has only to consider the immediate outcome of the execution of Ceaucescu in Rumania or the eventual deposition of Hoxha in Albania and observe how the long-oppressed and poverty-stricken Rumanian and Albanian citizens got very little out of this for a long time afterwards (although the former country has now just joined the EC, Albania's entry still looks farther off than Turkey's)...

Best,

Alistair

[counterpoint]

This being a piano forum, does anyone have any observation to make about the now dual meaning here of the term "WTC"?

Best,

Alistair

You mean, the Welltempered Clavier is the root of all evil (music) ?

[ahinton]

You mean, the Welltempered Clavier is the root of all evil (music) ?

No, only mine - er, no, I mean no, I did not and do not mean that, nor did I suggest that I meant it; I was referring to Bach's great keyboard work that will exist forever and the World Trade Center which - er - didn't...

Best,

Alistair

[counterpoint]

No, only mine - er, no, I mean no, I did not and do not mean that, nor did I suggest that I meant it; I was referring to Bach's great keyboard work that will exist forever and the World Trade Center which - er - didn't...

Best,

Alistair

 



oh, and for the world trade center