Actually, I have been thinking about a plan all day long. I just happen to have *A LOT* of other stuff going on and no matter what book we are using and so on, this project (like most projects for me here) is not a huge priority in my life at the moment (though valuable for sure).So, that's where I am at with it . If you are truly serious about this though, I guarantee it will spark something right in me and things will come together .m1469
I'm truly serious about thisAlso I think it could become a priority as I've seen conservatories in Europe where you can't get a piano diploma if you don't get an harmony diploma as comprehensive as the one of someone studying composition. They must have a point and probably knowing harmony can enhance teaching, piano playing, performance a lot
Well, I did take three years of it in Uni, granted, I did somewhat skate by in my second year, since all I cared about back then was practicing . These classes included orchestration and counterpoint specific courses, as well (this is all not saying much, though). First and third year were great though . Anyway, I have, of course, thought about everything you mention as reason for making it a priority so that reasoning is not going to make me anymore motivated than I am already. What you are talking about is the whole reason I want to brush up in the first place... it's just that I am a very busy woman . That's how it goes.
so find anyway 15 minutes three times a week to do itI think we can easily plan something concrete just by devoting 4-5 minutes a day of our time to it.
If we make it a priority we could even decrease the time we spend reading and posting at pianostreet and focusing on the harmony project instead
Looks like two of you interested and capable of leading this.I am guessing there are others like me who have not had the classes but are very interested and will follow best they can.
I am interested. I just need an English Harmony book first . If you have any recommendations?
*A rant from the extremely crabby and annoyed.* ... which I have since deleted.
what???
That was my reaction too....LLOL...........What???
I was supremely grumpy and feeling annoyed at some things regarding this (and related) thread, and so I ranted about it and then actually posted it... LOL. Then I decided that I didn't need to keep it up there, so I erased it all . See ? Simple, though maybe not sweet .
I suggest these three:Understanding Harmony by Robert JacobsAmazon-co-uk - Understanding HarmonyHarmony In Practice by Anna ButterworthAmazon.co.uk - Harmony in PracticeHarmonic Experience by William MathieuAmazon.co.uk - Harmonic Experience
Thanks, i have just ordered the Anna Butterworth book.
m1469.Please don't be offended that it is not the book first recommended. I decided if it was easier for a more-so beginner like me, I better choose that one.ridr27
But, to be honest, I am concerned that I will do something like that, and spend all of this time and effort putting something like this together, and then somebody who wants it to fail will work hard to get everything off topic and spend loads of time going in pointless circles.
It is not hard for me to imagine your reluctance to write down stuff that for you is elementary
m1469: I understand totally. The only way we could do this would be ignore that person(s). But in a forum like this it would not work. People will respond and off the thread will go.I have experienced the sort of *work against you* things you are talking about. I belonged to this forum a few years back and quit for awhile. Yes, I know, I know, we should not let a couple bad apples ruin it, but they do seem to win. I sense they enjoy doing so.ridr27
But, to be honest, I am concerned that I will do something like that, and spend all of this time and effort putting something like this together, and then somebody who wants it to fail will work hard to get everything off topic and spend loads of time going in pointless circles. I have seen it happen in both the "tonal harmony" and "moveable do vs fixed do" threads (by the same member), therefore, I am not all that excited about dumping my soul out here with this. That's a problem (for me) with doing things like this on an internet forum and not in a live classroom.
Yes, I know, I know, we should not let a couple bad apples ruin it, but they do seem to win. I sense they enjoy doing so.
m1469. Is that hard for you understand that it was a problem of language and nothing else?
You're really paranoid. Have you become so paranoid that you can't even recognize trolls from genuine misunderstanding and different opinions. Or are you just judging my low numbers of posts?
In the case of those two threads that I mentioned, yes, to a certain extent it is. As breifly as possible, I feel this way because I have observed numerous intelligent and clear posts of yours in other threads and at other times. I know that you are capable of relaying your meaning and of understanding others. Granted, we all have misunderstandings sometimes, even between people whom speak the same native language. I won't go into it any further since that would be doing exactly the same kind of circular motions I want to avoid.
The rest of your post I won't bother trying to address.
Except to admit that the Tonal Harmony thread itself was indeed not going very far as it was, and that I feel a little bit more inspired about it now. However, I felt more inspired about it before you got there, too, but even more inspired when you mentioned comparing books with each other.
Anyway, one thing that I will say to find comical is the fact that you had previously expressed your wishes for me to have kept my "rant" up above, that I had actually decided to erase. You said that you were interested in what my thoughts and opinions were, even the negative ones. Should I link you to your own words, as I have had to do in other threads ? Oh yeah, that never got us anywhere as far as further understanding each other, so no, I don't think I will bother this time. So, now when I express my thoughts calmly and straight-forwardly, you are offended... hee hee.
Well, I never meant to offend you. And, of course you are entitled to your opinions on whatever you want, including harmony books. As am I. I don't think I ever tried to "take that away" from you, but encouraged you to have your own project going if the other one is not what you wanted, and you clearly wanted something else.
If I have simply misunderstood you, I would only beg that you see my innocence since I am not a native internet forumer, learning only on my own as I go, and I am sure that this would be the only cause for any trouble between our minds
Oh gosh what a mess. No was not talking about you or anyone in particular. Just meaning that this kind of stuff does happen very often. and I did not even notice how many posts you have.
Pianowolfi.That is the one I ordered. I ordered from a publisher in England so don't know how long it will be getting here.
You americans are making it confusing while it is actually rather simple
but I will say that I have rarely (if ever) come to the lasting conclusion that anything about life is elementary for me -- in the sense of it being "easy." Maybe fundamentally necessary, but elementary, not so much.One of the whole points in me wanting to do this is to also help me understand it better, too.
Well reading some of the posts above makes me feel slightly uncomfortable... And things like this which I have read in the other thread about moveable do surely won't make the atmosphere better: I really don't appreciate something like that
I'll post more as soon as I have got my book or other sources of knowledge