Reading/flashcards

[ingagroznaya]

the intellectual side does not normally cause adults problems.

Strongly disagree

[stevehopwood]

Strongly disagree

[pianowolfi]

It is, for us; the intellectual side does not normally cause adults problems.

Kids are different. Just because something is logical and simple, does not mean they will grasp it easily.

This is soooo true  ....... And I am still struggling with the child in me and the adult in me. One day they will come together and develop the best way to learn music reading, at least for my group of students. The child says: "It's all a dream and a picture and an imagination. What do I need logic for? Logic is already in the world, everywhere. Why should it be MY job to learn it?" And the adult says:"It's all logical, why can't you grasp it, it is sooo obvious and soooooo simple" A long way to go. A long way to sing. A long way to PLAY. A long way to think. 

[counterpoint]

I think, we should not treat young piano learners as if they were mentally retarded.
Not the kids have problems with logic and things that are a bit complicated (can't see any of that in learning piano) - they play chess, they make astonishing inventions, they have fantastic ideas. Mindless learning methods like repeating simple things over and over are not only frustrating for the teacher, they are also frustrating for the kids.

[ingagroznaya]

A long way to think. 

You wanted to say "analyze", pianowolfi, but bit your tongue?

[ingagroznaya]

Counterpoint, you forgot a parent.

[counterpoint]

Counterpoint, you forgot a parent.

In which sense?

As a cause of frustration or as people who suffer from the methods?

[ingagroznaya]

There are no bad methods. There are incompetent teachers and unsupportive parents. Frustration is what left when a child is expected to do this first steps on his own.

[a-sharp]

"there are no bad methods"

I don't have a specific example, but I would wager that are indeed at least a handful of bad methods. Such as, the punishment method - or, hit the student with a stick when they make a mistake method... - just to come up with a couple off the top of my [ever so small] head.

And, for what it's worth - I have [the child that I am ], learn many things completely on my own....

[not to be argumentative or anything....]

OK - it's Sunday - *officially taking a break*

[a-sharp]

[well almost]

thanks for the website correction.

and ... wel, there I go thinking again. [my analytical side does cause a few problems for me, sad to say...  ]

[pianowolfi]

You wanted to say "analyze", pianowolfi, but bit your tongue?

Rofl this is funny, but no, actually not Somebody called me once "the thinker of ps".  "Thinker" and "analyzer" can work sometimes very well together, don't you think?

[ingagroznaya]

You should ask Steve. By his thorough analysis, I am not an authority on language. Maybe I can afford authority on... on something that is broad enough like "thinking" or even broader and more general - something like tongues? I want something in return, you can not buy me with chocolate.

[ingagroznaya]

"there are no bad methods"

I don't have a specific example, but I would wager that are indeed at least a handful of bad methods. Such as, the punishment method - or, hit the student with a stick when they make a mistake method... - just to come up with a couple off the top of my [ever so small] head.

This is one method, not couple. Since it is not official method it was not covered.

[ingagroznaya]

and ... wel, there I go thinking again. [my analytical side does cause a few problems for me, sad to say...  ]

Why don't you try analyzing first and thinking after. You could be one of those who is confused by which one is which.

[chocolatedog]

You should ask Steve. By his thorough analysis, I am not an authority on language. Maybe I can afford authority on... on something that is broad enough like "thinking" or even broader and more general - something like tongues? I want something in return, you can not buy me with chocolate.

You could probably buy me with chocolate!!!! 

[a-sharp]

Why don't you try analyzing first and thinking after. You could be one of those who is confused by which one is which.

<<Am I going mad, or did the word think escape your lips?!>>

 

(Since we don't seem to be talking about flashcards anymore, 10 points to the first person who correctly identifies which movie that line is from. *dons the evil cap* )

[a-sharp]

BTW, Inga*, you're so very sweet. Thank you muchly for analyzing me - oops - I mean, thinking of me - darn - which is it?  ! xoxo

[ingagroznaya]

The Princess Bride

[Bob]

Hmmm.... I'm interested in this thread.  I think.  Can someone summarize it for me though?


From skipping through it, I noticed some argument about "big" words.  There was a push at my school to add these words into everyday conversation with students, even down to the kindergarten level.  Hopefully the students grasped the meaning, but even if they didn't, they became familiar with hearing the word so later they would be more likely to use it.  The idea was that later on they would start using "big" words as part of their everyday language and be more exact in thinking and more articulate.  Word like "analyze" and "concepualize" were hot.  It was expected of the teachers to start speaking that way with the kids.


btw, I'm shocked and distressed to see the word "poop" being used in this thread.  I'm suprised the language filtering didn't take it out.  It's not a word to be thrown around lightly.  Or heavily.  It will lose all sense of meaning when it really needs to be used.  The descent into such language is another sign of the decline of the forum, the decline of western civilization, and probably another sign of the coming end times.  It's all downhill from now.

[stevehopwood]

btw, I'm shocked and distressed to see the word "poop" being used in this thread.  I'm suprised the language filtering didn't take it out.  It's not a word to be thrown around lightly.  Or heavily.  It will lose all sense of meaning when it really needs to be used.

Just shows how words mean different things to different people. I assumed that 'poop' was a light-hearted term intended to convey humour, not something devastating intended to offend.

 

[Bob]

The world's going to heck now.  It's all downhill now.  Oh poop....

[pianistimo]

'poop' can be used lightly or heavily.   'aww, poop.'  it probably used to mean so much more when people rode horses.  then, it was 'watch out. POOP!'  or someone's out in the pasture and there's piles of it to avoid. 

the worst thing of it - is that on my favorite bicycle trail there are these geese that make this slimy green mess and you literally have to weave in and out to avoid them.  but, with the weaving, if you accidentally hit one - it's a sure recipie for disaster.  why can't they cross the road first?

[Bob]

Watch your mouth there pianistimo. 

my poor piano teacher. he's having one next month. i'm sorta happy for him and the other half just sorta wonders how he's going to handle this situation.

He could try some bran...


I am joking of course. 

Back to the topic please.

Can someone summarize the main points please?

[stevehopwood]

i'd say a light version of poop would be anything less than a newborn baby.  my poor piano teacher.  he's having one next month.

Wonderful post, pianistimo. Your male piano teacher must be quite a guy, to be having a baby all his own. 

Only teasing.

 

[ingagroznaya]

What do you think about Putin? I think my mother Russia is going to hell and Pianistimo is male. How to teach rubato to young kids - no clue. You?

[amelialw]

bribary is the worst way ever to teach a student!!! a good teacher does not need to do that...

[m1469]

bribary is the worst way ever to teach a student!!! a good teacher does not need to do that...

All teachers use bribary of some sort.  What matters most are the results.

[pianistimo]

i am not male, ingagroznya -i just had a jumbled sentence.  i re-read it again today and couldn't believe what i wrote.  anyways - i meant to say that my piano teacher is having a baby in a month.  not by himself, mind you. 

[stevehopwood]

bribary is the worst way ever to teach a student!!! a good teacher does not need to do that...

Coloured stickers? Praise? Chocs? All these things are bribery.

I say to a student, "You played that really well. Well done."

No she didn't. In my terms, it was rubbish. What I am doing here is lying\using bribery to make her feel good about what she has achieved.

Guess what? A well-bribed student both leaves the lesson happily and returns to pay again the following week. 

As well as the ability to bribe to international standards, amelia, teachers also need a sense of humour. A lot of the posts here prove that most of the teachers contributing have really good ones.

 

[Bob]

I think their enjoyment and the their actually learning something to, progressing, is important.

[a-sharp]

me too - every time I think less, and just focus on having fun [both of us, really], it's so much better than when I try to plan everything ...