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Offline chopin2015

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Re: Best grand piano!
Reply #50 on: May 05, 2013, 05:03:48 AM
My 1898 Henry F Miller has unique action , it's naturally very light. In fact the keys seem to almost fall away under your hands, especially compared with my Kawai MP6 digital which seems to have a bit more resistance after the let off point than before. Slight but it's there, where the Miller has the same rate all the way to the key bed. The Millers sound when tuned to A438 is very comparable to a Steinway M but has more power. It has a lot of mid range and mid to upper bass power, good mid upper treble power till the very high registers where the digital is actually better. If I really do a nice tuning it's a very nice sounding old piano, I'd have to spend a whole lot of money to get something better in that regard..

Longer ago than you are old Chopin 2015 when I was seeing my piano teacher, she had a Steinway S. Beautiful instrument but the action was kind of tough/heavy. I weighted my keys to more closely match hers and have since taken about half that weight back out. As time went by though she let that piano go out of tune and the action got actually bad on it. At least that was at the end of my ten years or so that I took instructions from her.

I played on a wood stained ( vs black) Chickering, about a 6 ft model in a night club once. That was a nice instrument, I felt right at home playing it. I played on about the same size satin black Mason and Hamlin  and that was nice too. There are many nice grand piano out there. I don't know anything about today's Chinese made pianos except they appear to be too shiny looking.

Ohhh, hf miller! Those a great. I played on one in Russia this winter and it was pristine, despite it's age. I love a nice action. It makes the physical part of playing piano exciting and fun. The f miller I played was just heavy enough, with ivory keys that were very well taken care of and only the best pianists could play long enough on it to leave a imprint in the ivory. The piano made you work for your sound, but it was worth it. There was so much depth to that old piano, it was a special, magic piano that was like a mirror showing you what kind of pianist you are!

My chickering is amazing. It is too rough for any sensitive, refined playing, unfortunately. The touch is not as sensitive as I'd like. It works better for most things than other new pianos, though. It is hard to play on these types of actions, but is worth it. It translates best from older piano to new piano. But idk, i can't control fast performances unless that's how fast I practice. So, i like to practice mostly on a yamaha that can take the beating! Lol

I like to abuse my yamaha...
"Beethoven wrote in three flats a lot. That's because he moved twice."

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Re: Best grand piano!
Reply #51 on: May 05, 2013, 11:28:36 AM
Ohhh, hf miller! Those a great. I played on one in Russia this winter and it was pristine, despite it's age. I love a nice action. It makes the physical part of playing piano exciting and fun. The f miller I played was just heavy enough, with ivory keys that were very well taken care of and only the best pianists could play long enough on it to leave a imprint in the ivory. The piano made you work for your sound, but it was worth it. There was so much depth to that old piano, it was a special, magic piano that was like a mirror showing you what kind of pianist you are!

My chickering is amazing. It is too rough for any sensitive, refined playing, unfortunately. The touch is not as sensitive as I'd like. It works better for most things than other new pianos, though. It is hard to play on these types of actions, but is worth it. It translates best from older piano to new piano. But idk, i can't control fast performances unless that's how fast I practice. So, i like to practice mostly on a yamaha that can take the beating! Lol

I like to abuse my yamaha...

I abuse my Kawai I think. Abuse constitutes too heavy on the keys, pounding them to China perhaps !

The next time I have the action out of my Miller I will buff up and lube the rawhide on the let off check blocks. They just need it and the action will be consistently smoother for the effort. The keys have nice weight right now, it's how I like it. Yesterday I said it feels as though the keys fall away under your fingers but that really isn't true if you play it all the time, it's just coming off the Kawai it feels that way. I've been playing the digital a lot lately. But I've started a long overdue Mozart piece ( it's just K485 but that piece is special to me) that only sounds right on the grand. So I gave it a quick touch up spring tuning after the winter Friday evening in preparation to work on this piece. Old pianos require tinkering !
Depressing the pedal on an out of tune acoustic piano and playing does not result in tonal color control or add interest, it's called obnoxious.

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Re: Best grand piano!
Reply #52 on: May 05, 2013, 03:22:57 PM
Lol pound on it's way back to china! Yeah, my yamaha feels very different after playing on the chickering and visa versa like you said. It's a different type of experience between the two different types of pianos. Modern is more consistent with what's being currently produced and bought retail. My chickering feels more graceful and beautiful than a yamaha, buuut yamas are easier to maintain and are more consistent.

"Beethoven wrote in three flats a lot. That's because he moved twice."

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Re: Best grand piano!
Reply #53 on: May 05, 2013, 10:26:52 PM
Fingers don't have muscle.

Yes they do.  If they they didn't have muscle you wouldn't be able to play piano, or play anything or move your fingers for that matter. 
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Reply #54 on: May 05, 2013, 11:02:01 PM
Yes they do.  If they they didn't have muscle you wouldn't be able to play piano, or play anything or move your fingers for that matter. 

These people don't agree with you : https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Finger
Depressing the pedal on an out of tune acoustic piano and playing does not result in tonal color control or add interest, it's called obnoxious.

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Re: Best grand piano!
Reply #55 on: May 05, 2013, 11:48:56 PM
These people don't agree with you : https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Finger

"Fingers do not contain muscles (other than arrector pili)." straight from wikipedia. So technically, there are muscles, the arrector pili.
Debussy Pour le Piano
Chopin Etude 10/5, 10/9
Beethoven Sonata 2/2, 10/3
Bach P&F no. 7 WTC 1
Ligeti Musica Ricercata 10

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Re: Best grand piano!
Reply #56 on: May 06, 2013, 12:14:02 AM
"Fingers do not contain muscles (other than arrector pili)." straight from wikipedia. So technically, there are muscles, the arrector pili.

If you are going to hang your hat on that statement then I will be interested to know how that muscle group has any affect on playing piano or any other finger movement ! Don't get too confident about this is my suggestion, you might have a bad hair day.
Depressing the pedal on an out of tune acoustic piano and playing does not result in tonal color control or add interest, it's called obnoxious.

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Re: Best grand piano!
Reply #57 on: May 06, 2013, 12:28:03 AM
what has 13 flats?
"Beethoven wrote in three flats a lot. That's because he moved twice."
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