peace

[andigone]

i'm fed up to watch on t.v all this violence around the world.yougoslavia,afganistan,iraq......
please somebody stop the "u.s.a justice"
i don't want to be misunderstund u.s.a people are fine.

 

[comme_le_vent]

your ideals are perfectly sound

but the practicality is a tad more complex.....

[schnabels_grandson]

please somebody stop the "u.s.a justice"

Yeah, I'll get right on it...

[andigone]

the "analogy" for every historical period is 40 wars.
history repeats herself.human is the most catastrophic creature  in this world.
why?

[bernhard]

the "analogy" for every historical period is 40 wars.
history repeats herself.human is the most catastrophic creature  in this world.
why?

Have you heard of the Voluntary Human Extinction Movement (VHEMT)? Check it out:

https://www.vhemt.org/

Best wishes,  
Bernhard.

[janice]

the "analogy" for every historical period is 40 wars.
history repeats herself.human is the most catastrophic creature  in this world.
why?  

WHY??  Indeed, that is the burning question.  It's because human nature has always been the same, and always will be.  It's because humans, apart from God, are sinful and rebellious towards God, and therefore doomed.  Yes, "times are worse than they were 100 years ago", but this rebellion toward God just cycles and cycles and goes on and on, so that's why "times are worse".  Check this out, it's great reading, from the Bible:   Romans 3:10--Romans 8 (read to the end of this chapter).  In summary, it is saying that we have been made right with God thru Jesus Christ.  It says that we have peace with God because of what Christ did.  At the end of chapter 8 of the book of Romans, it says that absolutely NOTHING can separate us from God's love.  The fact is--I need God.  YOU need God.  We can have God thru Jesus Christ!  

I hope that this answered your "Why?" question.  We were never intended to live our lives apart from God.  He longs to live in you and for you to spend eternity with Him.  

[andigone]

janice you are so right.
if god knew how his children would be like he surely would be a volunteer in VHEMT!

[Shagdac]

Why are so many foreigners so down on the U.S.A. It's not perfect, but no country is. Actually, I guess it may be a good thing if "more" people felt that way....maybe it would cut down on the millions of illegal aliens that sneak into our country every year, getting free housing, food and medical care from our government, while they don't even speak our language! It's so hard to understand why so many people want to come to this country if it is so violent. I'm glad you state "U.S.A. people are fine".....unfortunately, the majority are not from the USA anymore!!!

[Daevren]

Why? Because violence works.

[faulty_damper]

Ditto Daevren.  Violence solves all initial problems.  And all problems after that can then be solved by another volley of violence.  Once those problems have been solved, another volley must be sent forth to solve the problems that the solution has caused.  It's the PERFECT solution!

Anyone who doesn't see this is doomed to commit violence.  I'm serious.

---
But to answer your question, Andigone,
Stop watching the TV if you can't control your emotional outbursts.  No stimuli, no reaction.  Simple, isn't it?

[faulty_damper]

Why are so many foreigners so down on the U.S.A. It's not perfect, but no country is. Actually, I guess it may be a good thing if "more" people felt that way....maybe it would cut down on the millions of illegal aliens that sneak into our country every year, getting free housing, food and medical care from our government, while they don't even speak our language! It's so hard to understand why so many people want to come to this country if it is so violent. I'm glad you state "U.S.A. people are fine".....unfortunately, the majority are not from the USA anymore!!!

Wow, so many generalizations.  Many which are wrong.  Our country as it now stands, is built on the backs of illegal immigrants.  Many are from the south of the US.  The majority that aren't from the south "look like us" - they're Canadians.  But we're racists and don't like anyone darker than the color manure.  Canadians, eh?  They're fine.  They look like us.  They blend in.  Who cares about Canadians?  They look like us.  They blend in.


So much bigotry, eh?  They look like us.  THey blend in.  Taco eaters don't.  They're darker than us.  They blend in with manure.  The way America treats "them", they might as well be manure.  Remember, we're Americans, we killed off those redskins because they were different, they didn't look like us.  Now we're trying to keep anyone darker than European out because they're different.

[Shagdac]

Faulty....please don't misunderstand my reply. I could care less what color somebody's skin is, I don't feel like anyone is better than anyone else...actually I really had a good laugh, you see, I happen to be married to one of those "illegal taco eaters" for close to 12 years now! However I LOVE tacos myself, so that works out great, and he knows several languages while I only speak English, so I certainly don't doubt intelligence either!

If you in any way were mislead by my statements and took offence, I certainly offer an apology, for that was not my intent. I don't object to ANYONE living in this country, but I do object to people that come here expecting to be "taken care of", without working on their own. I'm not much of a believer in the welfare system here for people that were born here! I guess one tends to get a bit cynical after seeing how badly it is abused and misused at times, thats all. And yes, there definately ARE people who DO deserve help as well. Please don't take it to the extreme...I'm not against every single person that gets help from our government. It is widely abused by ALL races, and people from EVERYWHERE, including the USA.

But I feel a statement such as "stop the USA justice" is a very broad statement as well. I certainly cannot argue that we don't hesitate to step in and help other countries when there is conflict, and yes, use violence which just happens to be part of war, but I wouldn't want to be a country that sits idley (sp?) by while another country was starving, torturing, and stealing from it's people either.

I agree completely that violence is never a good thing, but sometimes it almost seems like it's the only thing left to try.
Nobody wins in war, and it's sad to turn on the news and see whats happening all over the world. But it's not just the USA, and not all because of the USA.  There are gangs and murder and violence ALL over. And not just on the larger scale when you think of "Country", but in homes and schools and our streets.  And to blame any ONE country or person, etc I feel is wrong.

But as I stated in my original post, NO country is perfect, but just as I would never dream of making a statement to put blame on any particular country or people, I guess I just couldn't understand why someone would make that generalization against my country!

Just sharing my opinion, and again, please forgive me if I offended anyone with my above post, it truly was not my intent to do so. Guess I'll just stick with piano posts!



Susan

[janice]

"I have told you these things so that you may have peace.  In this world you will have much trouble.  But take heart!  I have overcome the world."--Jesus Christ

[schnabels_grandson]

"I have told you these things so that you may have peace.  In this world you will have much trouble.  But take heart!  I have overcome the world."--Jesus Christ  

Hmm....  That's relevant....

Anyway, there's no way to stop war, it just is.  Ideally, people (meaning ruling people) would get the picture and decide enough is enough, really, it's not going to happen.  Doesn't it suck that you are powerless to stop it?  

Confucious says: War does not determine who's right, war determines who's left.    

[chopinetta]

have you heard the recent news?


al quaeda has just beheaded one of their american captives.

sad.

but that's not very sad... the Abu Sayyaf here has beheaded more people. they haven't landed here in cebu. good thing.

[janice]

  Quote:"I have told you these things so that you may have peace.  In this world you will have much trouble.  But take heart!  I have overcome the world."--Jesus Christ  




Hmm....  That's relevant....

Yes it is--and here's why.  In essence, Jesus is saying--yes, you can EXPECT to have crap happen.  This is a fallen world.  But Jesus is saying, basically, is to not despair, because HE IS IN CONTROL!  You might think "Big deal, I still have to live with the consequences of sin and evil".  So what relevance does this have to me personally?"  Because this life is not all there is!! God created us to be eternal beings. He longs for you to spend eternity with him as opposed to apart from Him.  And that is why Jesus died, He was the sacrafice for your sins, so that you can spend eternity with Him.  That is available to you all for the asking!!

[jr11]

If Americans would only imagine themselves in the shoes of their enemies...

If a superpower with super weapons with their own political ideals occupied US soil and deposed the govt, would the American people say "gee, I guess we're defeated, hooray!"? My guess is many people would never stop fighting for what they believe in, even if it meant risking your whole town being levelled, especially if you truly believed that there is a better life hereafter.

The insurgents are fighting what they deem is a holy war, and they want to restore their kind of holy govt and laws many have lived under for centuries. They will NEVER stop fighting. And if they die they're holy martyrs for their people (kind of a soldier Jesus). Even if a vote is carried out in Iraq, they have no idea what a democracy is, or how to live under one. Quite likely, they will elect the kind of govt they know... a religious leader, or another dictator. As one sees in the almost biblical images from the modern-day middle east, these are not people to quickly accept change.

America, either get out of Iraq to stop this madness, or get comfortable there... I fear your pride and tenacity in war will see you there a long time, and for many, an eternity. Meanwhile, the terrorists are in their glory... it is much easier to strike an enemy when they come to you.

[faulty_damper]

I didn't take any offense to anything said except perhaps the racist generalization to which I chose to reply.

About the Jesus quote:
He didn't lead the life his words left.  In other words, he was a hypocrit.  He often used tactics that we would consider violent and was often angry.  Did he have passion?  You could call his anger passion.  But he was no buddhist.

Anyway, I do not view existence in simply dichotomy.  There is no such actual thing as a "Good" and a "Evil" or "Bad" although it is so much easier on the mind to view it this way.  The president of the United States, however, does.  Democracy is Good, he says.  Authoritarian regimes, Bad.  Therefore, Good must always triumph over the Evil - hence the war.  Nice fairy tale but Santa Claus doesn't exist.

Coincidentally, logic dictates that there is no such thing as "Life".  So when people talk about "life and death", they have no real idea what they are talking about.  It's purely theory.  So if people are "killed", the rhetorical question is "Did they really die?" and so forth.


Oh, and Canadians speak English, eh?  Yeah, they blend in.

[schnabels_grandson]

Yes it is--and here's why.  In essence, Jesus is saying--yes, you can EXPECT to have crap happen.  This is a fallen world.  But Jesus is saying, basically, is to not despair, because HE IS IN CONTROL!  You might think "Big deal, I still have to live with the consequences of sin and evil".  So what relevance does this have to me personally?"  Because this life is not all there is!! God created us to be eternal beings. He longs for you to spend eternity with him as opposed to apart from Him.  And that is why Jesus died, He was the sacrafice for your sins, so that you can spend eternity with Him.  That is available to you all for the asking!!

Jesus was speaking exclusively to his followers.  He was saying that Christians would have a hard time because the world would not like them.  Jesus obviously doesn't control the world at this time, otherwise there would be complete peace.  

I must ask, why the hell would I want to go to heaven?  I like it here on earth.  I can have a perfectly great relationship with God from where I sit.  Jesus didn't die so that I could spend eternity with him, he died so that we all might continue living forever and be free from sin.

I really don't understand people's basis for believeing they're going to heaven.  Why be born here on earth only to die and go to heaven or hell?  Some may say that life now is a test, but what about after armagedon when there is no wickedness or evil on the earth?  What kind of test would that be?  

Think, God made Adam and Eve to live on the Earth, which he created for them.  They were perfect and would have never died had they not sinned.  God never intended to take them to heaven.  Why should he want to take you?

Anyway, back to the topic:  Has anyone seen that beheading video?  Sounds awfully gruesome.  It should just further show the world that Al Qaida needs to be stopped at all costs.  

[faulty_damper]

Nah, haven't seen it yet.  Do you have linky-dink-dink to it?  I'm just sadistic that way.  Ooh, spank me!  I'm also a masochist.

[Shagdac]

I have not seen the video, but heard on the news. Yep, it's terrible. .....how depressing.

But thanks faulty, for a good laugh!

[andigone]

oh,i forgot that there are so many american members in this forum and someone could be offended by the statement "u.s.a justice".
well first of all i'm not a terrorist and i don't have anything against american people.
in fact i hope to visit one day your country.just for tourism.

[faulty_damper]

Don't worry about that statement.  I don't even like our government at this particular point in time.  Bush's bigotry of Christianizing the entire world affects everyone and not in positive ways.

If you negatively said "usa justice" as an American citizen, you'd probably be detained by the FBI and held without charges until you admit you're a terrorist.  Trust me, freedom of speech is a past memory of the former United States.  GOD I hope he's ASSasinated.  I'm sure that will be the end of American terrorism.

Ah, if the FBI could hear me now.  (I'd be face down on the floor with rifles pointed at me.)

[Shagdac]

Don't think I know of 1 person that likes Bush. I doubt he will be re-elected.

Thank God for freeedom of speech though, we do have that, and our individual right to believe how we want!

[janice]

Ah, if the FBI could hear me now.  (I'd be face down on the floor with rifles pointed at me.)

So if we don't see you on the forum tomorrow, we will know that you are face down on the floor somewhere!! LOL  

(I'm not sure if I did this quote-thing correctly or not )

[faulty_damper]

Don't think I know of 1 person that likes Bush. I doubt he will be re-elected.

Thank God for freeedom of speech though, we do have that, and our individual right to believe how we want!

yeah, just don't go and open your mouth about it!  

I bet you he gets re-elected.  He'll win the electoral votes but loses the majority vote as he did in 2000.  Another step for the Christian Cause - Christ for everybody!

[janice]

.  Another step for the Christian Cause - Christ for everybody!

Amen!!!

No offense, faulty Damper, but I couldn't resist!!

[Allan]

I appreciate this topic in general, and the comments of Janice in particular.

[schnabels_grandson]

I appreciate this topic in general, and the comments of Janice in particular.

Wow, that's great to know.

[jr11]

It is easy to vent anger about present world events towards Americans and America. I have to keep reminding myself that what we hear on the news and from pres Bush and his govt do not necessarily represent the opinions of almost half the American people.

I travel to the US occasionally, and what I have seen increasingly is a divided country. I get the idea that if a US citizen disagrees with the president, they'd better keep their mouth shut, or society (employers, churches, friends) will shut them out. As a result, there are a lot of unwilling hypocrites. I can only hope they will use their only real voice, their vote, in protest.

Mr. Bush keeps preaching freedom, but I have a tough time envisioning what American freedom means. It sure doesn't look as free as most other western society countries I've been to.

What a mess 911 created.