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[thierry13]

Before I answer, please, tell me what do you know about cognitive learning and the most important rule in teaching people skills to read.

Why are you answering by a question? We are not discussing ways, we are discussing RESULTS. I personally am a very good sight reader and I didn't have to know "the most important rule in teaching people skills to read" to do it. All you need is musical understanding and visual association of patterns. To answer YOUR question, since I am a civilised person, I don't know much about the psychology and theorical principles, established by psychologists(you will excuse me for not calling those people scientists), and would gladly read your explanations on this subject -> *IN ANOTHER THREAD SINCE WE ARE NOT DISCUSSING THEORICAL ASPECTS BUT RESULTS AND RATIONAL MATTERS OF MARKETING HERE* <- Thank you 

[musicrebel4u]

Why are you answering by a question? We are not discussing ways, we are discussing RESULTS. I personally am a very good sight reader and I didn't have to know "the most important rule in teaching people skills to read" to do it. All you need is musical understanding and visual association of patterns. To answer YOUR question, since I am a civilised person, I don't know much about the psychology and theorical principles, established by psychologists(you will excuse me for not calling those people scientists), and would gladly read your explanations on this subject -> *IN ANOTHER THREAD SINCE WE ARE NOT DISCUSSING THEORICAL ASPECTS BUT RESULTS AND RATIONAL MATTERS OF MARKETING HERE* <- Thank you 

OK, here is my answer.
If sight-reading was never a problem for you, it does not mean the problem does not exist.
I didn't meet many fluent sight-readers in my life after 17 years of srtict Russian music education.
Yuri is not my student.
He is self learner.
He can play any piece and was reading for us endless hours.
From reading many music pieces people naturaly come to better music understanding. Yuri is bright example of that.
Program has nothing to do with 'teaching piano methods': it is just interactive music score from very elementary to original.

[thierry13]

OK, here is my answer.
If sight-reading was never a problem for you, it does not mean the problem does not exist.
I didn't meet many fluent sight-readers in my life after 17 years of srtict Russian music education.
Yuri is not my student.
He is self learner.
He can play any piece and was reading for us endless hours.
From reading many music pieces people naturaly come to better music understanding. Yuri is bright example of that.
Program has nothing to do with 'teaching piano methods': it is just interactive music score from very elementary to original.

Then why did you answer for your program by him if he didn't even use it? You do not make sense. As I pointed out earlier, the problem really DOES not exist! Or if it exist, it is a MINOR one that can easily be overcome! But you still didn't answer everything. I'll be waiting.

[musicrebel4u]

Then why did you answer for your program by him if he didn't even use it? You do not make sense. As I pointed out earlier, the problem really DOES not exist! Or if it exist, it is a MINOR one that can easily be overcome! But you still didn't answer everything. I'll be waiting.

If the problem DOES NOT EXIST, please video record ALL your students and demonstrate for us how fluently they read music.
Before you do it, I am not wasting my time communicating with you!
By!

[keypeg]

I'm a bit lost.  Which is the problem that does not exist?

[musicrebel4u]

I'm a bit lost.  Which is the problem that does not exist?

thierry13 claims that music sight-reading is a problem that does not exist and can be solved easily.

[morningstar]

Before you do it, I am not wasting my time communicating with you!
By!

Please, by all means, stop communicating with us.

[m19834]

Please, by all means, stop communicating with us.

Please  .  A number of people started posting in her threads after they were basically dead and brought the rebel back to life.  Let's just face it, we all secretly like each other and want some kind of communication ... even if it's a little rough, apparently.  If people really don't want her here anymore, don't keep trying to talk to her.  Simple as pie.  And, if it were such a waste of rebel's time, she wouldn't come here and try to do what she tries to do ... she is obviously somehow fueled by the interaction and needs it on some deep, personal level.  As far as I can see, it's just all one, big, giant lovefest.  Lovefest 2008. 

[thierry13]

If the problem DOES NOT EXIST, please video record ALL your students and demonstrate for us how fluently they read music.
Before you do it, I am not wasting my time communicating with you!
By!

I only have 4 students, am not a full-time teacher, I'm a piano performance student, and I have no equipment to record my students, and I do not teach at home, I teach in a small school where I am the only piano teacher. Just go on youtube and search for kids playing the piano, who cares if they're my student or not? You'll see they all read music! The fact is that anybody can learn to read music and that it is NOT hard. I can take an example wich is music related but not piano related. In high school, they form harmonies, wich is a band kind of like a symphonic orchestra but with only winds. When we entered in grade 1 of high school, in my music class nobody knew how to read music (me included, I started later). They were not intelligent people, some of them were, some of them were less, and a lot had learning disorders, or anyways they were not good at school at all. The teacher had to teach to read about 10 different instruments to 30 persons at a time, and we ALL managed in a short amount of time (after a few weeks we were almost all fluent). Okay, this is not piano, this is single stave reading, but still! Nobody was motivated, almost nobody liked the music class, and most were not intelligent at all. It all worked out. That is why I say it is NOT difficult to read music and that the problem is INEXISTANT.

[gyzzzmo]

Somehow i miss the isue about the sightreading. Are people here talking about the ability to read notes and then know wich note that is on the piano... Or the speed at wich people can do (prima vista)?

And what is the problem really? :S

[thierry13]

Somehow i miss the isue about the sightreading. Are people here talking about the ability to read notes and then know wich note that is on the piano... Or the speed at wich people can do (prima vista)?

And what is the problem really? :S

I think first, it's the first, then it becomes the second. The problem? Created by musicrebel4u, and other stupid people who roam on this section of the forum.

[gyzzzmo]

I think first, it's the first, then it becomes the second. The problem? Created by musicrebel4u, and other stupid people who roam on this section of the forum.

Maybe we should create a new thread: Is it worth it to teach dummies reading pianomusic....

[db05]

Maybe we should create a new thread: Is it worth it to teach dummies reading pianomusic....

You are taking it the wrong way. Any dummy can learn piano if he wants to. But is it worth having dummies teach piano?

[gyzzzmo]

You are taking it the wrong way. Any dummy can learn piano if he wants to. But is it worth having dummies teach piano?

Is it me or isnt that exactly the same as i was saying? :p

[db05]

Is it me or isnt that exactly the same as i was saying? :p

I thought you were against teaching dummies piano. I am against dummies teaching piano.

[thierry13]

I thought you were against teaching dummies piano. I am against dummies teaching piano.

I'm against the fact that people who think source commentaries are interpretative suggestions learn piano...




Okay I'm kidding ... 

[lostinidlewonder]

It's funny. No one has this Golden magical staff of knowledge (and this cognitive learning is no different) that they can merely pass on to someone and they get a eureka moment and all of a sudden improve their efficiency thousands of %. No singular method of learning will ever do this, everything supports everything else, you learn things in multiple ways so that it becomes common sense instead of focused thought. The fact is that you have to make "difficult" processes easy and obvious.

How do you go about doing this is extremely complicated. This is because each student is different and has different requirements. ANY experienced teacher who teaches one on one lessons will understand this through and through. Any teacher that teachers mass classes has no clue about this. Thus any book or program that you can do on your own which proclaims that it will revolutionize your approach to music should be taken quite cautiously. Because it is assuming that no matter how unique you are as a musician, this material will work for you and personally satisfy all of your needs. This is a fantasy or otherwise an extremely thick book.

[gyzzzmo]

I'm against the fact that people who think source commentaries are interpretative suggestions learn piano...

Okay I'm kidding ... 

*Gyzzzmo grabs his Paderewski editions, reads the commentaries and wonders how he could have done it without those all the time......*

[morningstar]

Is she still even here? Or are we replying to imaginary posts?

[alpacinator1]

Let me make this as simple as possible.

There is more to playing piano than reading music, right?
Your method teaches students to read music. But, because we've already established that there is more to piano than that, clearly your method doesn't do much at all. There you go.