Revolutionary Etude in 2 Years

[etcetra]

I agree with dimioa.. i am wondering  what winterwind888 means by 'mastered' and who is making that judgement..and whether he is studying with a teacher or not.. its like someone lifting ridiculously heavy weights even though they are relatively new at weight-lifting.. you are skipping so many steps, and you are most likely going to  end up hurting yourself. 

There are always an exceptions, some people are super-talented.. they can do in a year what most people take 10 years to do.. but I've been here long enough to be skeptic about that..if you are really that talented enough to "master" revolutionary etude in 1 year, than someone should have discovered you by now,  put you to the best school/teacher available.. a talent that like that usually don't go unnoticed.

[dapianoman32]

I played the revolutionary etude this last year and it is a very difficult piece to master...i have been playing piano for 12 years and it took me 4 months to learn but more like 7 months to get it into its best performance shape...i would be surprised if you could pull off learning it with little piano experience in 2 years...but good luck to you anyways

[boygab90]

i started playing the piano at 9 years old, and i learned the etude at around 15/16 so that's about 6 years there and the etude wasn't perfect

[ahvat]

I'm not a piano teacher buy I've listen to the recording. Chopin - op 10 no 12 but to pick up this in two years means business. For such a piece you have to play hard and practice hard. Also maybe you have to practice nothing but this piece for 2 years str8. We can't stop you on your decision whether you should practice it or not. But if I were you I would practice what my teacher gives me, so when the time comes you are ready for the incoming notes

[revolutionaryetudein2]

After a long hiatus (summer vacation, yada yada), I'm back with a new video!

Chopin's Nocturne Op. 9 #2. Let me know what you think!

[richard black]

Well, your fingers aren't very obliging in terms of speed but you've got much better tone than most people have after 1 year - or indeed after 5 or 10 years.

[antichrist]

Wow back after one year?

anyway you can try out the Revolutionary

[revolutionaryetudein2]

Well, your fingers aren't very obliging in terms of speed but you've got much better tone than most people have after 1 year - or indeed after 5 or 10 years.

Excuse my ignorance, but what is tone? While we're on the subject, what do people mean when they say "color" or "texture"?

What can I do to make my fingers faster?

Wow back after one year?

anyway you can try out the Revolutionary

I really don't think I'm ready XD

[mcdiddy1]

From someone who has played the Revolutionary Etude, the piece is good but you can learn so much more by having a large variety of musical experiences. If your goal is to play the notes of Revolutionary Etude , that is very attainable. However, to grow in other areas such as musicianship, tone color, phrasing, arm weight, finger control, clarity,  voice leading, and style you would do better having a teacher add you and learn a wide repetoire. This will greatly help give you experience about  effiecent practice and increase your technique and musical awareness and help you make music with piece and not merely get just get the notes. When you get the piece to speak and create whiring arpeggios filled with pathos and passion , i think you will feel more satisfied with the result. As great as the piece is, it is not the greatest piece ever written or even the best thing Chopin wrote. I think you will be to reach your goal in two years but I feel you would be more satisfied learning other music lessons to make you a stronger musician

[richard black]

Excuse my ignorance, but what is tone?

Tone (and colour and texture, really) is/are essentially the relative loudness of notes - relative, that is, the notes sounding at the same time and immediately before and after.

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Congratulations on your Chopin. Of course it can be better, but I found it pleasing (Chopin can't really go wrong, can it?). What a great accomplishment!

Keep up your remarkable work. You're a source of inspiration!

[gyzzzmo]

After a long hiatus (summer vacation, yada yada), I'm back with a new video!

Chopin's Nocturne Op. 9 #2. Let me know what you think!

hmm... Its a bunch of slow notes, what can i say? :S

[heerokirashami]

I would suppose speed would be one of the biggest issues, if you're trying to learn it.

I don't really get what most of these people are saying. I haven't played piano since 3rd grade...began that stint in 1st grade...I decided to try to learn this for the heck of it, and I feel I could probably pull it together over a summer, if I tried hard enough. Except...for...speed!

[mcdiddy1]

Tone (and colour and texture, really) is/are essentially the relative loudness of notes - relative, that is, the notes sounding at the same time and immediately before and after.

tone does not describe the loudness of pitch, you are talking about dynamics, notes sounding at the same time and immediately before and after sounds like your describing phrasing. Tone is difficult to describe but it is essencially the quality of the sound produced by the speed of vibration of strings.
    Sorry this is coming from a person who also plays the violin. If you play it you will see its possible to play the correct pitch but produce a bad tone by the way the string vibrates. The same way you can produced better tone by relaxing the arm to help control the hammers strike the string.

[2015]

hello. im 12 years old and can play the beginning and the last part...i am taking some time to do this... i really need advice bcuz i need to play this in a few months and i am only practicing for 2 months now.... tis song is too hard 4 evryone. i was told to do this slowly then gradually going faster until you gt the tempo. i can read the whole thing slowly but i need tempo at some parts... this is possible if you practice at least 4 hours a day and you have the feeling that you want to play this.... studies block me from doing this faster.

[benjaminpiano]

this goal is easily reachable. 

for the first year ONLY work on scales and arpeggios and hand exercises.  work on them slow at first until they are perfect.  Once you have played them slow for ever and have them down perfectly then you can start speeding them up.  This will give you the finger speed and technique you need to play the revolutionary etude.

Once you start learning your piece, go slow.  go through it for hours and hours and hours slowly.  You know you will have played it slow enough because your head will have exploded.  Then and only then is when you start speeding it up.   

one thing to remember:  when you practice stay focused and practice, don't play. 

[chelseasmilexx]

As a player and as a 15 years old person then I see that feat as good.
You see my first etude took me 9 months to learn.
Chopin Etude Op.25 no.2

Is there a difference between Op. 25 and Op. 10?
Apparently I managed to learn Op. 10 no. 3 in a month...
and I'm working on Revolutionary Etude right now. It's the second month and I'm almost through.

In addition to that, I'm no good at sight reading.

[perfect_pitch]

Hey - It's been over 2 years... how did you go in learning the 'revolutionary' etude?

[perprocrastinate]

I know this thread is old, but he did it. I too tried to attain a similar goal, but miserably failed in the process (the above poster would know).

How well do you guys think he did?

[tdawe]

Well he completely ignores Chopin's dynamic markings, and the speed is only about 2/3rds what it should be. Unfortunately the piece has completely lost its character.

Not to be overly negative. Assuredly he set himself a very challenging task. Nevertheless, I am not a believer in playing pieces that are out of one's ability range at the expense of musicality. The unfortunate fact is that technique has to come effortlessly in order to combat the real challenge: interpretation.

[chopin2015]

when learning etudes from a beginner level-as well as any difficult piece, you are lacking technique. You will attempt working through pieces and learn technique by approaching difficulty and learning piano problem solving but you will have a harder time finishing the piece because you are not prepared, trust me. Thats ok though-listen: My main point is that you might abandon pieces, you might learn the technique wrong and can hurt yourself if you rush into this, and worst of all-you could use the piece and learn the technique but for a very long time lack the ability to finish the piece because you don't know how to practice..also are likely to find better things to do and never finish the piece at all! which is ok...you may learn something but use it on a different piece that expresses your abilities better. If the piece still fascinates you after few years of experience(as it may-musically) you can always come back to it if your first attempt does not go as planned and is guaranteed you will have an easier time with it.

Advice if you do plan on attempting it: get a good copy with lots of notes and fingerings especially for the left hand since it is the focus of the work's technique study. DO NOT practice one piece for a very long time-you will hurt yourself.

Also, who is your fav pianist?

[perprocrastinate]

I'll assume that the above was intended to be directed to me because it makes sense chronologically. EDIT: Okay, maybe not. Oh well. I'm posting this anyway because I wasted too much time already on a rant.

Believe it or not, I was crazy (and stupid) enough to start work on this piece as a complete beginner. I started with the mentality that if it wasn't perfect, it was "okay" because I wasn't a professional. Low standards. After three months, I had learned the notes and was able to "play" the piece at nearly full tempo. I posted a recording in the Audition Room.

perfect_pitch comes in and mercilessly slaps me across the face for having posted such a horrible "performance" of the 'Revolutionary' Etude. And I'm thankful for that. Yeah, I was disappointed, but what could I expect? I tried to improve on it for another month, but didn't see much progress. It turned out I had bad fingerings and only focused on 'getting the notes right'. Along with being highly incompetent. 

Big mistake.

You have a choice to make (and I know how hard it is because I had to make it in the past).

You can really take the time to slow down and re-learn the piece ensuring that you MAINTAIN accuracy over speed, and finnesse over clumsiness...

or you can continue to play pieces in a manner that sounds like you're convulsing as you play.

If you have any love for the piano and any true passion for it, I hope it will be the first option. We've had way too many people in the past who went for option No. 2 and it didn't work out well.

I wish you the best of luck for this piece and hope you'll continue to work for true pianism and not just playing piano.

Dose of reality. An epiphany or something hit that made me force myself to take a step back and work diligently to come back to this piece again someday. It may take all the Bach in the world (which is only so much, haha), but I'm gonna do it.

However, I'm still stubborn enough to shoot unusually high. I'll see where I am in a year or so and try again. I'm not going to wait 8 years to play a freaking etude.

Advice if you do plan on attempting it: get a good copy with lots of notes and fingerings especially for the left hand since it is the focus of the work's technique study. DO NOT practice one piece for a very long time-you will hurt yourself.

Also, who is your fav pianist?

Apparently I made both of those mistakes. Lol.

I'm not sure how this is relevant, but probably a tie between Cziffra and Hamelin.

[j_menz]

However, I'm still stubborn enough to shoot unusually high. I'll see where I am in a year or so and try again. I'm not going to wait 8 years to play a freaking etude.

The quickest way to reach the roof is to use a ladder, not to practice jumping.

In other words, if a piece is just too big a leap for you, it is a more efficient use of your time to work on pieces that are within your scope - a stretch, but not a leap.  That way, you will have a better idea what you are doing, your body/brain will adapt more quickly and your chances of injuring yourself are reduced. By doing that, with each step you advance, and the piece you are aiming at will be in range much sooner.  Picking pieces that stretch you in the direction required speeds the process even further.

[chopin2015]

Apparently I made both of those mistakes. Lol.

it's ok, so do many people...so did I, at least! But my wonderful teacher has great suggestions and she told me sometimes it is hard to correct habits, but I think that is for you to decide. I was messing around with winter wind etude and she told me why don't I play this for audition instead of my attempt of ballade no 1(lmao I have been working and reworking this piece for half a year now...) great now I know what it feels like to work on a etude for 4 months and have it almost perfect. BUT my experience has me knowing that I know there is no chance of a good performance right now because I am conscious of what my troubles are and so I can also come up with a fulfilling plan and better goal setting. that is what experience helps us conceive- what I experienced with rev etude is that you can be aware that the piece exists but completely unaware due to lack of experience- of the experience that could be had if you are ready. LOL It is best if you go work on some Bach, trust me there is so much fun to be had rather than making yourself miserable for the next couple of months and possibly hurting yourself. I will think about a suggestion of a difficult work you could learn with a good score that will help you move along towards your goals.

[9spaceking]

*laughs* the other man on youtube who claimed he learned Fantasie-Impromptu in only one year, with three months spent on music theory, beginning from an absolute beginner, must have lied. F-I is around the level of this etude, so I conclude it is impossible to "master" the piano (I.E., reach grade level 8+) in only one year unless you are a prodigy.