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[pies]

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[rlefebvr]

I know the answer....

The second D stays flat, because it is in the same mesure and on the same line as the previous D note.

[monk]

And I saw immediately that this bar was taken out of Chopins Grande Valse Brillante in Eb major *BRAG!*

[pies]

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[faulty_damper]

I don't know how you practice but it can be learned in one week if you are systematic enough.  But I doubt you are systematic enough because almost no one is.

[donjuan]

pies, a work like that for someone like you will take 1.5 months to learn, and up to 2 years to get up to performing quality, with the help of a teacher.  Keep at it! it should get easier the longer you work at difficult pieces.  I spent over 2 years just simply learning to play through Liszt's Un Sospiro, and now, I can learn the notes for pieces like that in a month or two.
donjuan  

[Piazzo22]

I saw a couple of messages talking about "learning the notes". What does it mean?

[goalevan]

memorizing

[donjuan]

memorizing

No!!
"learning the notes" may not be memorizing- but being familiar enough with them so you can "play through" a piece, while looking at the score.  "Learning the notes" simply refers to your ability to recognize them on the staff.  Working on dynamics and other performance related material is what you work on for a great deal of time following learning the notes.
donjuan

[thierry13]

donjuan since how many years do you play piano... and do you know where i could find the score of un sospiro?

[donjuan]

donjuan since how many years do you play piano... and do you know where i could find the score of un sospiro?

I have been in contact with a piano for 10 years, but I have only been taking it seriously (studying classical) for the past 6.  
Un Sospiro (from Trois etudes de concert) is one of the most commonly played works of Liszt, and should be easy to find at almost any sheet music store.  I have the Alfred edition, Maurice Hinson as editor.  If you want it to download, I cant really help you.  www.sheetmusicarchive.net usually has this kind of music to download as a pdf, but not in this case.  
Just go ahead and phone up music stores in your area, and see if they have it.  Besides, the quality of downloaded music is never THAT good...
donjuan  

[Piazzo22]

No!!
"learning the notes" may not be memorizing- but being familiar enough with them so you can "play through" a piece, while looking at the score.  "Learning the notes" simply refers to your ability to recognize them on the staff.  Working on dynamics and other performance related material is what you work on for a great deal of time following learning the notes.
donjuan

Oh, thanks!
BTW, could you give some advice on learning a new piece. How much should one practice hands separate.?

[faulty_damper]

I won't redirect you to another thread so I'll answer here.

You should practice HS until you have the phrase/passage memorized.  Just make sure it is not too much for you to handle.  Once you have it memorized then you can play HT.  Once you are comfortable with HT, repeat a few times and then stop practicing this passage.  Move onto the next passage and do the same.  Once you have done enough for yourself to handle stop and give your brain a rest; let your brain absorb it.  Don't repeat any of the passages you've practiced until you've had a nights sleep.  The next day you can repeat the process and you'll be surprised how much better you are doing.

This technique has worked wonders for me just recently.  Play passage HS, then HT, then go to sleep and do it again HT next morning.  This is so much better than playing one passage until perfection in one day and only having a few bars learned in a week.  I know this too well and have wasted a lot of time this way.  Don't you waste your time like I did.

[donjuan]

Interesting method, faulty!
I think Ill try it.
But, I follow a different path when learning a new piece.  I play the melody alone, and when I am comfortable with the notes, I add in the separate voices one by one.  I try not to think of things in terms of hands together or separate.  The fact that we have two hands is  the limiting factor for all pianists.  A listener is not aware (or at least SHOULD NOT be aware) of which part of the music is played with what hands, so why should you?  Your hands will develop differently and approach music differently if you do concentrate on what the right hand does versus what the left hand does.  If this happens, we have a problem- We stop making music and we start "playing" the piano..
donjuan