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Liszt B.A.C.H.

on: May 09, 2009, 06:32:19 AM

I found it listed both as "fantasy" or "prelude and fugue". So, which is it? (please explain)
thx

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Re: Liszt B.A.C.H.

Reply #1 on: May 09, 2009, 08:00:45 AM

Quote from: anda on May 09, 2009, 06:32:19 AM

I found it listed both as "fantasy" or "prelude and fugue". So, which is it? (please explain)
thx

Please clarify your question here, it doesn't make sense...which *is it* for what?

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Re: Liszt B.A.C.H.

Reply #2 on: May 09, 2009, 12:26:25 PM

I think both.

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Re: Liszt B.A.C.H.

Reply #3 on: May 09, 2009, 01:48:20 PM

BACH is a theme on the notes B A C H.
The piece is listed on this site as Fantasia & Fugue on the Theme BACH.

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Re: Liszt B.A.C.H.

Reply #4 on: May 09, 2009, 02:13:14 PM

Quote from: db05 on May 09, 2009, 01:48:20 PM

BACH is a theme on the notes B A C H.
The piece is listed on this site as Fantasia & Fugue on the Theme BACH.

thanks for clarifiying that for me, I learn something new today!

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"Fantasie und Fuge über das Thema B-A-C-H (also in the first version known as Präludium und Fuge über das Motiv B-A-C-H, title in English: Fantasy and Fugue on the Theme B-A-C-H) (S.260i/ii [1st/2nd version], S.529i/ii [piano arr. of 1st/2nd version]) is an organ fantasy on the BACH motif composed by Franz Liszt in 1855, later revised in 1870." (wikipedia quote)

what i have to do is *decide* whether it's a prelude and fugue or a fantasy, and write a paper to argument my call. i am hoping someone who has played it (i haven't) knows the work in detail, and could give me some ideas... i have the music sheet, i sight read it, and i'm pretty sure it's not "prelude and fugue", but i still have to argument...

(sorry if my first post wasn't clear, english isn't my language)

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Reply #6 on: May 10, 2009, 01:35:38 AM

There is no standard definition for the difference between a fantasy and a fugue, but if you look at the way Bach used the terms, preludes were usually more highly structured and worked strictly in thematic ways, whereas fantasies were more improvisatory and didn't always use thematic material, instead using effective arpeggios or scales and other such figures.

That means your assignment is just a test of your personal analysis. I personally would call it a fantasy, because first of all it never settles on a key. It hardly suggests B-flat at all. That is much more a fantastical element than a structured element. Also, Liszt has a lot of different textures, techniques and the like... although he obsesses over the BACH theme, it's basically one idea after another - pure fantasy!

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Reply #7 on: May 10, 2009, 02:54:51 AM

The orginal organ version is titled Prelude and Fugue on BACH and the later piano version was titled Fantasy and Fugue on BACH.

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Reply #8 on: May 14, 2009, 06:56:30 PM

thanks, everybody, i finished the paper today. my analysis' conclusion is that it's a fantasy, and that it's way too far from the "prelude and fugue" concept.

best luck

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