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Offline franz_

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Liszt: Paganini etude No. 2
on: August 09, 2009, 03:53:54 PM
Did anyone play this etude? What are the difficulties here, and how difficult is it to compare with other etudes of Liszt? Good for competitions?
Currently learing:
- Chopin: Ballade No.3
- Scriabin: Etude Op. 8 No. 2
- Rachmaninoff: Etude Op. 33 No. 6
- Bach: P&F No 21 WTC I
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Offline makeanote

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Re: Liszt: Paganini etude No. 2
Reply #1 on: August 14, 2009, 08:20:03 AM
Hi there franz!

To begin with, this is a very showy piece of music, so it works quite well in concert and in competition. Going by your signature and what you are currently learning, you'll probably find this study will fall pretty easily under your fingers.

The cadenza at the beginning is not terribly difficult, it's a recurring pattern of 3 figures - relax the right hand particularly to get the rotation of the figure. LH fingering fairly straight forward 3-1-2-4-2-1-3-1-2.

The first section (Andantino capriccioso) just requires a light action - (I think it sounds cleaner without any pedal) - most of the brilliance and apparent difficulty comes from the rapid scale passages (which aren't all that hard). Be careful to practise the alternating decending sixths pattern carefully to be clear, and if alternating octaves aren't a difficulty for you, then the entire first section is pretty straight forward.

If anything, the second section (poco piu animato) is probably more difficult because of the relentlessness in the octave passages - most notably the fortissimo section with double octaves in arpeggios through to the recurrance of the opening figure. The big jumps for the octaves need to be addressed with careful practise.

It's a lovely study and is effective because it sounds much harder than it actually is (unlike #3 which is as hard as it sounds...). That is to say, it is certainly not a walk in the park, but it's a relatively quick one to learn if you have a solid technique.

Trust this helps,
Ian

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Re: Liszt: Paganini etude No. 2
Reply #2 on: August 14, 2009, 08:54:19 AM
Thank you very much for your words and help!
Just for the matter, my signature is 3 years old already, so I improved a little by that time already, at least, I hope :)
To be honnest I'm still doubting between this etude and No. 8 of the transcendental ones..

Currently learing:
- Chopin: Ballade No.3
- Scriabin: Etude Op. 8 No. 2
- Rachmaninoff: Etude Op. 33 No. 6
- Bach: P&F No 21 WTC I

Offline thalbergmad

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Re: Liszt: Paganini etude No. 2
Reply #3 on: August 14, 2009, 12:05:10 PM
I would consider the earlier version of this, which i consider to be superior.

I might be in the minority here.

Thal
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Re: Liszt: Paganini etude No. 2
Reply #4 on: August 15, 2009, 12:25:45 AM
Hey there Thal. I've not heard (or played) the Etudes d'Execution Transcendante d'apres Paganini #2 which you refer to, but looking at the score, is it more than a technical enhancement? The final version of the Paganini seems a little less cluttered than the earlier, but I'm interested to know from you the preference you have for the earlier scoring.

@ Franz_ : The Wilde Jagd you refer to is a whole different world from the Paganini. Although the technical difficulties are, for the most part, quite similar, I would say the Transcendental Etude #8 is quite a bit more difficult than the P#2 (particularly Liszt's use of octaves and the lyricism in the TS#8) - but both are wonderful pieces to learn. If you have time constraints (say, less than 2 months), I'd suggest the P#2 (unless you aren't learning any other demanding pieces at the same time) - I think the TS#8 is more a craft of Romanticism than the mostly just showmanship required for P#2.

Ian
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