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sirpazhan

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question on chopin op27 no.2

on: January 07, 2010, 11:11:19 AM

hello, Ive just picked up this piece,, top of the 2nd page,, what does the red bracket mean, reason I ask is because I feel like it doesn't sound right when I play,,, not too familiar with the notation... am i missing something? thanks,,,

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iroveashe

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Re: question on chopin op27 no.2

Reply #1 on: January 07, 2010, 01:09:34 PM

I always thought it meant the notes are to be played together, assuming that since there are two voices and both notes have accidentals they end up too separated, so the bracket is used to show they're played at the same time; but my teacher insisted Chopin wouldn't use a disonance like that (even though there are minor seconds in other of his works) and told me to play one note after the other.

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Re: question on chopin op27 no.2

Reply #2 on: January 07, 2010, 04:15:00 PM

Quote from: iroveashe on January 07, 2010, 01:09:34 PM

I always thought it meant the notes are to be played together, assuming that since there are two voices and both notes have accidentals they end up too separated, so the bracket is used to show they're played at the same time; but my teacher insisted Chopin wouldn't use a disonance like that (even though there are minor seconds in other of his works) and told me to play one note after the other.

I also thought it meant the notes are to be played together, why your teacher think Chopin wouldn't use a disonance like that?

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Re: question on chopin op27 no.2

Reply #3 on: January 07, 2010, 05:47:48 PM

Quote from: iroveashe on January 07, 2010, 01:09:34 PM

but my teacher insisted Chopin wouldn't use a disonance like that (even though there are minor seconds in other of his works) and told me to play one note after the other.

Wait, let me cry. They ARE played at the same time. Change teacher, now. This is imperative.

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Re: question on chopin op27 no.2

Reply #4 on: January 07, 2010, 06:54:33 PM

Quote from: thierry13 on January 07, 2010, 05:47:48 PM

Wait, let me cry. They ARE played at the same time. Change teacher, now. This is imperative.

I knew I was right, I listened to like 18 different recordings of the piece but she was stubborn. I've stopped going months ago anyway.

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Re: question on chopin op27 no.2

Reply #5 on: January 07, 2010, 07:49:16 PM

Of course they need to be played together. Chopin often uses this, for instance in the first Ballade.

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Re: question on chopin op27 no.2

Reply #6 on: January 07, 2010, 09:52:46 PM

Yes, they are played together. See Paderewski edition, they attempt to clarify the notation a bit.

As Wolfi notes, this is not a one time occurrence in Chopin.

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