Doctor of Music in Australia?

[carolina estrada]

Im thinking to do my DMus piano performance in Australia, is it a good place for music there? Ive no contacts there, and no idea about teachers or which city to go. Could you give me some advice. Every small detail or ideas would be highly appreciated.

thanks,pals!

Caro
 

[perfect_pitch]

Honestly??? (Try hearing an australian accent in your head while reading this)

Oiright maite... in the fare land of ostralia, the whopper thing is that the ozzies are so bleedin' obsessed with sports that music unfartunately comes a very distant second to the ozzie football every time.

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Sadly enough, the culture in Australia is very miserable compared with other countries, so when it comes to dance, art, music etc - Australia can sometimes be a dry hole - ESPECIALLY in western australia sadly enough. Most times you'll go to a WASO concert to see a brilliant pianist play Brahms Piano Concerto No. 1 to find not all the seats are filled, yet hundreds of thousands of people will gladly sit on their arses and watch a bunch of football players play "piggy in the middle" while snacking on doritos and drinking beer.

ALTHOUGH - If you are determined to go for a doctor of music, then you'll shine like a bleedin' beacon because there are very few professional top quality university piano teachers in WA. I'm hoping to spread my reputation after I get the Fellowship of Music.

But that's the truth from a scottish immigrant who's lived here for the last 16 years.

[retrouvailles]

Sadly enough, the culture in Australia is very miserable compared with other countries, so when it comes to dance, art, music etc - Australia can sometimes be a dry hole - ESPECIALLY in western australia sadly enough. Most times you'll go to a WASO concert to see a brilliant pianist play Brahms Piano Concerto No. 1 to find not all the seats are filled, yet hundreds of thousands of people will gladly sit on their arses and watch a bunch of football players play "piggy in the middle" while snacking on doritos and drinking beer.

Hey, sounds like America! It's the case even here in Los Angeles, where the arts "flourish".

[oxy60]

Hey, sounds like America! It's the case even here in Los Angeles, where the arts "flourish".

I don't think our fellow posters realize what kind of cultural wasteland we live in. Right now I live about 2 hours South of you. I lived in LA when the Music Center was built and the cultural level really was different. 

Well folks, it's over. There's no more public money to put into the arts and there are not enough people willing to pay the real ticket price (unsubsidized) to hear/see top performances.   

[cherub_rocker1979]

I've heard that about Australia before.  I'm really not sure if it's much different from the US...

[slow_concert_pianist]

Though I am coached by Professor Solobodan Sivkovic of Wollongong Conservatortium of Music, I would be inclined to head to Sydney Conservatorium of Music. Having no experience of the place, I can offer no further advice on the matter.

[carolina estrada]

Honestly??? (Try hearing an australian accent in your head while reading this)

Oiright maite... in the fare land of ostralia, the whopper thing is that the ozzies are so bleedin' obsessed with sports that music unfartunately comes a very distant second to the ozzie football every time.

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Sadly enough, the culture in Australia is very miserable compared with other countries, so when it comes to dance, art, music etc - Australia can sometimes be a dry hole - ESPECIALLY in western australia sadly enough. Most times you'll go to a WASO concert to see a brilliant pianist play Brahms Piano Concerto No. 1 to find not all the seats are filled, yet hundreds of thousands of people will gladly sit on their arses and watch a bunch of football players play "piggy in the middle" while snacking on doritos and drinking beer.

ALTHOUGH - If you are determined to go for a doctor of music, then you'll shine like a bleedin' beacon because there are very few professional top quality university piano teachers in WA. I'm hoping to spread my reputation after I get the Fellowship of Music.

But that's the truth from a scottish immigrant who's lived here for the last 16 years.


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ok, I see. It is quite an adventure for me the idea to go living in Australia. It is my dream, it looks amazing country. If you r living there 16years that means good thing to me. What is an scottish fellow doing in Australia? I guess it must be a fantastic experience, isnt it?
  Do you know any of this top quality professional piano teachers that u mentioned? It would be a really valous information for me. 

looking forward ur reply!

[carolina estrada]

Though I am coached by Professor Solobodan Sivkovic of Wollongong Conservatortium of Music, I would be inclined to head to Sydney Conservatorium of Music. Having no experience of the place, I can offer no further advice on the matter.

Do you know anyone in Wollongong who could know about it?  ;P
Im really thirsty of information. please help me!
Are you from Australia?
hug

[carolina estrada]

Thanks guys!! I really apreciatte ur help!
Please keep posting! Whatever comes to your mind is welcome!
 



huuuuuuuuuugs

[perfect_pitch]

Do you know anyone in Wollongong who could know about it?  ;P

Woollongong??? I'm sure in the outback, there's a sheep who possibly once played the piano - apart from that, not much else in Woollongong...

[lostinidlewonder]

 For a doctorate you have to first get a Bachelors degree in music from a university then further studies with a thesis/research. A friend of mine is currently doing a psychology/music doctorate on performance anxiety.

These links might interest you:
https://www.uq.edu.au/study/program.html?acad_prog=7508
https://www.uq.edu.au/hupp/index.html?page=25141

[slow_concert_pianist]

Thanks guys!! I really apreciatte ur help!
Please keep posting! Whatever comes to your mind is welcome!
 



huuuuuuuuuugs

I live in Sydney and Wollongong is the Southern provincial centre between Sydney and Canberra. I have a consultation with Slobodan a week Sunday and will ask about the possibilities of a DMus course.

[carolina estrada]

I live in Sydney and Wollongong is the Southern provincial centre between Sydney and Canberra. I have a consultation with Slobodan a week Sunday and will ask about the possibilities of a DMus course.

I really apreciatte this,mate! thanks so much!
looking forward to your news!
hug
 

[carolina estrada]

For a doctorate you have to first get a Bachelors degree in music from a university then further studies with a thesis/research. A friend of mine is currently doing a psychology/music doctorate on performance anxiety.

These links might interest you:
https://www.uq.edu.au/study/program.html?acad_prog=7508
https://www.uq.edu.au/hupp/index.html?page=25141

Thanks for the links, I have checked them but it seems that in Queensland the Doctorate is offered for Australians not for international students.
Regarding to papers, Ive the Bachelor and Master Degrees plus 5years of experience teaching piano in conservatory and currently in university.
Do you know any good teacher for piano performance. And is it possible for international students to do the DMus?
Thank you so much!

 

[prongated]

Im thinking to do my DMus piano performance in Australia, is it a good place for music there?

No, you won't find the best institutions, or teachers, in the world there. But it can be much worse, and it's a nice country to live in

Thanks for the links, I have checked them but it seems that in Queensland the Doctorate is offered for Australians not for international students.

Yeah, you are right about that...but then, why UQ? Check out Queensland Conservatorium;
https://www17.griffith.edu.au/cis/p_cat/programsubarea.asp?cat=Queensland%20Conservatorium&subcat=music&display=open
They have some of the most illustrious piano teachers in the country; namely Oleg Stepanov, Natasha Vlassenko, and Stephen Savage. Getting into Stepanov/Vlassenko's class will be real nice.

Do you know any good teacher for piano performance.

In Sydney, I highly recommend to you my old piano teacher, Margaret Hair, who has taught a number of outstanding pianists such as Duncan Gifford and a little more recently David Fung and Andrea Lam. You can study with her (or anyone else really) if you study at UNSW. The coursework is heavy though - negotiable, but the best you can negotiate for performance is about 50%, the remaining being your thesis (50,000 words minimum).

Otherwise, Sydney Conservatorium is a standard choice I suppose. Do try to get Nikolai Evrov or Elizabeth Powell as your instructor however - they are the finest musician in the piano faculty there, and unfortunately seemingly half-retired.

[carolina estrada]

No, you won't find the best institutions, or teachers, in the world there. But it can be much worse, and it's a nice country to live in

Yeah, you are right about that...but then, why UQ? Check out Queensland Conservatorium;
https://www17.griffith.edu.au/cis/p_cat/programsubarea.asp?cat=Queensland%20Conservatorium&subcat=music&display=open
They have some of the most illustrious piano teachers in the country; namely Oleg Stepanov, Natasha Vlassenko, and Stephen Savage. Getting into Stepanov/Vlassenko's class will be real nice.

In Sydney, I highly recommend to you my old piano teacher, Margaret Hair, who has taught a number of outstanding pianists such as Duncan Gifford and a little more recently David Fung and Andrea Lam. You can study with her (or anyone else really) if you study at UNSW. The coursework is heavy though - negotiable, but the best you can negotiate for performance is about 50%, the remaining being your thesis (50,000 words minimum).

Otherwise, Sydney Conservatorium is a standard choice I suppose. Do try to get Nikolai Evrov or Elizabeth Powell as your instructor however - they are the finest musician in the piano faculty there, and unfortunately seemingly half-retired.

wow! thanks for such nice info.
In Sydney, I found in the website of Sydney University names like Mr Clemens Leske, Gerard Willems, Natasha Sheludiakova, Paul Rickard-Ford, Daniel Herscovitch ....
Do you know anything about them?

And do you know anyone nice in Melbourne University?

Im mainly interested in Melbourne or Sydney (my boyfriend is IT specialist and he'll get more chances there with computers, I suppose) ;P 

Looking forward to your reply.
hug

[prongated]

In Sydney, I found in the website of Sydney University names like Mr Clemens Leske, Gerard Willems, Natasha Sheludiakova, Paul Rickard-Ford, Daniel Herscovitch ....
Do you know anything about them?

What do you want to know? I've otherwise recommended just about the ones I would consider.

I don't think Clemens Leske (junior - his dad is also a pianist by the same name) actually teaches piano at the tertiary level. I believe he's mainly there as collaborative pianist.

Sheludiakova and Herscovitch are fine musicians. It depends what approach you are after. I think that if you want to study music, Sheludiakova or Herscovitch is the way to go. If you want to focus mainly on consolidating your technique, Paul Ford should be your pick. His students are very solid that way.

I was actually at a series of student recitals which feature students from the studio of Sheludiakova and Ford a few years ago, and 2 of them played the same Bach e minor toccata. It's very interesting - Ford's is very solid technically, but Sheludiakova's is more intelligent in conception, and the more organic musical performance to me.

But as I said, if you can get Nikolai Evrov or Elizabeth Powell, either one of them should be your first choice. And as I am biased, my absolute recommendation is to do it at UNSW (my alma mater, incidentally) and pursue piano studies with my old teacher. The staff members at UNSW (very nice, helpful, and knowledgeable) compensates for the huge amount of academic work you have to undertake.

And do you know anyone nice in Melbourne University?

Glen Riddle is definitely very nice, and an interesting musician. He's probably in his 40s or early 50s. His best student is/was Ke Lin, who was rampaging through some national competitions with success, while working as an actuarial! Otherwise Farren-Price is the veteran teacher and probably the one to go to.

[slow_concert_pianist]

I have passed on your enquiry to my Professor Slobodan Zivkovic of Wollongong Music Conservatorium. He has drafted the following response:

"Regarding your friend from overseas looking for a Doctorate in Piano Performance in Australia, how much I know, here is not such opportunity. In the system of AMEB we have Fellowship of Music (F MusA) and I believe we have Doctorate (Phd) in Pedagogy, for example. For this opportunity I am very interested and I think in this way we need to address to Professor David Lockett from Adelaide. I am very interested to obtain Doctorate in Piano Pedagogy and I have to address to Prof. Lockett."

It does not seen to satisfy your quest, but I whole heartedly wish you well.

[perfect_pitch]

In the system of AMEB we have Fellowship of Music (FMusA)

That is true in fact and can be done in any state of Australia - but believe me - it's f*cking hard and you'd need to contact the state office of AMEB to find out what month they will be scheduling the exam for - each state sits all the Licentiate and Fellowship exams one weekend a year I believe.

The Fellowship of Music is an 80-minute recital done in a venue of your choice and MUST be attended by an audience, with a program etc... and all that malarkey.

I'm still freaking out over mine.

[carolina estrada]

I have passed on your enquiry to my Professor Slobodan Zivkovic of Wollongong Music Conservatorium. He has drafted the following response:

"Regarding your friend from overseas looking for a Doctorate in Piano Performance in Australia, how much I know, here is not such opportunity. In the system of AMEB we have Fellowship of Music (F MusA) and I believe we have Doctorate (Phd) in Pedagogy, for example. For this opportunity I am very interested and I think in this way we need to address to Professor David Lockett from Adelaide. I am very interested to obtain Doctorate in Piano Pedagogy and I have to address to Prof. Lockett."

It does not seen to satisfy your quest, but I whole heartedly wish you well.

thanks a lot for the info. It is very useful for me.
But concerning to DMUS I found that it is possible to do it in Australia. There is the possibility in Sydney:
https://sydney.edu.au/music/FS/postgrad/study/courses/dma.shtml
I am waiting for their response though. I hope there is the chance to study the Doctor of Music Degree in Performance.

[carolina estrada]

Is there any chance in getting some scholarship?
this is actually quite substancial concern for me

hugs
looking forward to ur suggestions and ideas

[poesmuts]

Im thinking to do my DMus piano performance in Australia, is it a good place for music there? Ive no contacts there, and no idea about teachers or which city to go. Could you give me some advice. Every small detail or ideas would be highly appreciated.

thanks,pals!

Caro
 

[oxy60]

May I throw in my 2 cents?

Home cooking is best. I think that education has both academic and social dimensions. Going to school near where you live will also give you the contacts you will need to further your career. Going a long ways away means you will start from scratch again. Schools that have students from all over will do you no good after you graduate and go out into the world because those students will all go back to their home towns.

Of my graduating class only a dozen stayed in the town of the university because they grew up there already. The rest split. Except for reunions we never see each other.

[slow_concert_pianist]

thanks a lot for the info. It is very useful for me.
But concerning to DMUS I found that it is possible to do it in Australia. There is the possibility in Sydney:
https://sydney.edu.au/music/FS/postgrad/study/courses/dma.shtml
I am waiting for their response though. I hope there is the chance to study the Doctor of Music Degree in Performance.

I will forward that link to my professor when I get in and see what he has to say

[mikey6]

I'm from Adelaide and know Prof Lockett very well.  He's semi retired now, but I think is still teaching some students (I've been away for a few years so not entirely sure).  He's incredibly intellectual - I submitted my essay to him 3 times, each came back with at least 50 detailed markings and then I ran out of time.
The thing is there's incredible teachers everywhere, it's just that the intitution may not have the name of Juliard or RCM.  I'm at the RCM atm, but I did not come here coz of the name, I actualyl found it difficult to find a teacher to live up to my last one and the one I found jsut happened to be here.  This was after travelling to Italy, Austria, Germany and the UK so I would advise if it's possible to travel around, have consulatation lessons and e-mail as many people as you can.

[slow_concert_pianist]

Sadly Slobodan has mentioned nothing more to me, so I suspect he does not know the Sydney University course. I will keep you informed if I find out anything else.

[pianisten1989]

Sadly Slobodan has mentioned nothing more to me, so I suspect he does not know the Sydney University course. I will keep you informed if I find out anything else.

If I were him, I wouldn't speak to you either...

[slow_concert_pianist]

If I were him, I wouldn't speak to you either...

You are not him and you just did - au contradictaire, what's your point?

[carolina estrada]

what about professor Mr. Willem Gerard in Sydney University?
is there any possibility for scholarships in Australia? the costs are way too expensive. 23.000AUD per year, plus the living costs. 

[slow_concert_pianist]

Willem Gerard is the windbag that croons on the Sydney Piano Competition. $23K is small change for a contact like that...I'd have thought.

[prongated]

what about professor Mr. Willem Gerard in Sydney University?
is there any possibility for scholarships in Australia? the costs are way too expensive. 23.000AUD per year, plus the living costs. 

You mean the conservatorium. Either way, absolutely no. As I said before, the only people worth going to there are Nikolai Evrov, Elizabeth Powell, or maybe Paul Ford.

Willem Gerard is the windbag that croons on the Sydney Piano Competition. $23K is small change for a contact like that...I'd have thought.

Well, you thought wrong. Where can he get you to? Every musician who's heard him knows he can't play the piano the way someone of his (supposed) stature should - it's not even close! He has a voice that many seniors adore, and that's why he's on the radio during SIPCA.

[carolina estrada]

Thanks to everyone for your support and comments. Ive learnt a lot from your advices and they helped me to make the final decission!
Actually, I moved to sydney! So finally im in Australia right now! ive never been more happy, this is a fantastic and vibrant city, with more cultural activities that i expected. Opera house is just a miracle! Im so impressed with the australian hospitality and kindness.
It was the right decision to come to Australia,índeed.
So, Im right now doing the CET english course to meet the english requirements, and...if everything goes all right, in march 2012 Ill be getting the 20000AUD , which i really need to pay the course (it is incredibly expensive) and hopefuly starting my DMUS at the sydney Con. I cant wait for it!

Thanks for all ur support!
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