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Offline gardenvarietycynic

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Movement in "Mouvement"
on: August 01, 2010, 08:16:51 PM
Specifically, the first page or so of Debussy's incessantly kinetic third image of book one, Mouvement. My question isn't really one of raw technique, but one of hand placement. At measure 5 the fifths (C -G) are placed in the left hand while the right hand begins that iconic semi-mechanical whir in triplets. The tricky bit, noticed even by those who merely admired the score, is that the hands are basically placed atop one another in an awkward sort of mating dance or other.

Awkward indeed.

Most pianists I have observed opt for the left hand to be placed over the right, fingers 2 and 5 poke away at the repetitive fifths, the wrist bent slightly upward to make room for the right hand triplets. And this is all good and well until measure 9, in which the roles are switched and now the left hand now has an arpeggiated figure spanning, at its largest, an 11th.

Most pianists here would drop the wrist of the right hand, hanging the thumb down below the keyboard, playing the fifths between fingers 2-4, and 2-5.

I, being absolutely insane apparently, prefer the opposite approach, placing the right over the left hand throughout. By dropping the wrist of the left hand in the repeated fifths (5-2) the right hand triplets have ample room to run. Come measure 9, the left hand is already in a very comfortable position for the gliding arpeggios and in the right hand, the fingering 1-4 and 2-5 can be used for the fifths (which in my opinion, serves the phrase better and more distinctly).

So that was a bit lengthy, and I apologize. I'm not really sure if my method can really be considered "wrong", Debussy himself being quoted saying, "One is never served better than by one's self," which taken out of context, may erroneously seem to warrant self-indulgence at the expensive of musicality, but I don't think that's the case here. Quite the opposite, in fact. Even so, my method puts me in a firm minority. Whhhhyyy?  :-\
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Offline lostinidlewonder

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Re: Movement in "Mouvement"
Reply #1 on: August 03, 2010, 06:26:28 AM
It is possible to play these hand positions with either hand on top (and this ambiguity is more strong for the first 8 bars but you should maintain RH below LH or the change in bar 9 is too annoying to deal with.), however. We should notice that the hand that does the most movement should usually be above the other hand (or the hand which has the largest interval between its lowest and highest note if notes are generally of similar keyboard position), this is so that it is left to move freely without interference.

When one plays RH on top the LH arpeggio pattern for bar 9-15 for instance the LH may feel restricted and unable to move as freely (unless you hold the RH extra high to give LH room). With the LH above it has as much room as it wants to move without the RH hounding above it. The RH plays mostly repeated notes so its position can remain predominantly stagnant and thus can play under the LH with no feeling of interference from the LH, however if you do RH above the LH, the LH must lower itself and the RH play higher so they do not disturb one another and it feels obvious that the RH is annoying the LH if we don't make the excessive room for the hands. Fitting the RH below, the RH causes the LH to play a little higher, but this is desirable because of the intervals between its highest and lowest note (as you pointed out an 11th at its max), playing these intervals with a lower hand position causes more tension or more to act again than a higher one thus encourages RH below LH once more.

With RH below LH bar 9-15 also they feel more like a singular physical system in my hands, with the LH above RH to me at least it seems more disjoint which encourages me to do RH below LH again.
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Offline gardenvarietycynic

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Re: Movement in "Mouvement"
Reply #2 on: August 03, 2010, 11:09:50 PM
Well many thanks for the response (as promised  :)). Your defense for the left-over-right manner of playing is sound. But in the end, I suppose it comes down to a matter of personal comfort married with musical efficacy. That said, unless my piano professor gives me an earful this Thursday, I am not likely to defect.
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