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Offline jaiesh_bhai

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Help with Schumann's op 68 no 16
on: August 29, 2010, 05:06:34 PM
Hello I am currently trying to play this piece. I needed some help understanding how to go about doing this and how to exactly play some parts.

https://www.pianostreet.com/piano_sheet_music/Schumann-577/First-Sorrow-op-68-16.html

So on this piece. It is using slurs everywhere. Am I supposed to keep the prior key held down when playing the next one. Such as on bar 7 - 8 it has a D sharp and then an E but do I keep the D sharp held down until I play the D sharp and F sharp chord? Thanks for the help in advance!
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Offline stevebob

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Re: Help with Schumann's op 68 no 16
Reply #1 on: August 29, 2010, 06:07:56 PM
I think you might be confusing slurs with ties.  The symbol (a curved line) is the same for both, but they function very differently.

A tie always connects just two notes of the same pitch.  It increases duration, i.e., the notes are played as if they were one note having the combined value of both notes:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tie_%28music%29

A slur, on the other hand, encompasses two or more notes irrespective of pitch.  The duration of each note within the slur is unaffected, but they’re played legato:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Slur_%28music%29

The piece in question contains both ties and slurs.  At first glance, I thought that the D♯ you ask about in bars 7-8 was a tie because it connects two notes of the same pitch.  However, the first D♯ is a dotted quarter note; in order to be tied to the following D♯, it would need to have a value that lasts right up to the next D♯ for the two occurrences of D♯ to be held continuously as though they were one note.

But it doesn’t.  The first D♯ is held only until the E is played, and then D♯ is played again simultaneously with the F♯ at the start of the next measure.  The symbol in this instance is actually a slur rather than a tie.

Sorry this answer is a bit longer than I planned, but it's an unusual case.  In most instances the distinction between slurs and ties is much clearer.
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Re: Help with Schumann's op 68 no 16
Reply #2 on: August 31, 2010, 05:06:48 PM
Hey Stevebob thanks so much. That was quite useful. I am more than half way done learning this piece. It's my first one so yeah...I am a bit excited.  ;D

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Re: Help with Schumann's op 68 no 16
Reply #3 on: August 31, 2010, 07:45:28 PM
You're very welcome; I'm glad I could help.

(And I love Schumann, too, so I'm excited for you.  :) )
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Re: Help with Schumann's op 68 no 16
Reply #4 on: September 04, 2010, 06:53:45 PM
Okay so I almost have this whole piece practiced. (Not done need to make it sound perfect.) I think I am doing something wrong in bars 24-27. Why are there two slurs/ties? Am I supposed to hold down the A note while I play the whole sequence of F, E, D sharp, E, D. Also would the F be an F sharp because the grand staff looks like it's in the C major scale, or am I too assume it stays in the G major scale?

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Re: Help with Schumann's op 68 no 16
Reply #5 on: September 04, 2010, 07:16:55 PM
I think I am doing something wrong in bars 24-27. Why are there two slurs/ties?

I'm not sure what you're seeing there, as I don't have access to the Piano Street score.  (My comments have been based on the one at IMSLP.)

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Am I supposed to hold down the A note while I play the whole sequence of F, E, D sharp, E, D.

If you mean the passage in the left hand where the A is a half note in the lower voice tied to a quarter note in the next measure, the answer is yes.

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Also would the F be an F sharp because the grand staff looks like it's in the C major scale, or am I too assume it stays in the G major scale?

Again, I'm not sure what you're seeing.  In the edition I'm looking at, the entire piece is in G major.  That means that all F notes are played as F♯ unless otherwise indicated.
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Re: Help with Schumann's op 68 no 16
Reply #6 on: September 04, 2010, 07:24:00 PM
Alright you actually answered everything I had to ask. So yeah I guess they just switched to the treble clef in my version and only make you play out of G major if they use a natural symbol. Thanks a lot dude.
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