Bob learns some Slovenian with Littletune

[Bob]

Jaz sem Bob.  Jaz sem glasbenik.  Jaz je klavir.  Klavir je črn. 

Littletune ima tudi klavir.  Littletune je tudi glasbenika.  Klavir je tudi črn.

[littletune]

Jaz sem Bob.  Jaz sem glasbenik.  Jaz je klavir.  Klavir je črn. 

Littletune ima tudi klavir.  Littletune je tudi glasbenika.  Klavir je tudi črn.

You're doing really good Bob! Only two things....
Not: Jaz je klavir. But : Jaz sem klavir
And: Littletune je glasbenica.
But all other things are completelly right!!!     

[Bob]

I wanted to say, "I have a piano."  It's not, "Jaz imam klavir?"    Grr... I meant imam.  That's one of those mistakes that I'm not even aware of.  And I looked that one up too.

Is, "Jaz sem klavir" also "I am a pianist?"

Jaz sem glasbenik.  Littletune je glasbenica.

[littletune]

Yes I was thinking about it later and I thought that maybe you wanted to say : Jaz imam klavir.

No I am a pianist is: Jaz sem pianist. Well maybe you could also say : Jaz sem klavirist. But that is really unusual.  (but: Jaz sem klavir means just: I am a piano. )

Oh and : Jaz sem glasbenik. Littletune je tudi glasbenica. is ok.... you could also say: Jaz sem glasbenik. Tudi Littletune je glasbenica. (That you put "tudi" in the beginning...it seems a little better this way, but it's ok both ways. )   

[Bob]

Ok.  Hvala.

Jaz sem Bob.  Jaz imam klavir.  Jaz sem glasbenik.  Tudi Littletune je glasbenica.  Tudi Littletune ima klavir.  Midva sva glasbeniki.  Midva imava klaviri.  Midva imava dva klaviri.

[littletune]

Ok.  Hvala.

Jaz sem Bob.  Jaz imam klavir.  Jaz sem glasbenik.  Tudi Littletune je glasbenica.  Tudi Littletune ima klavir.  Midva sva glasbeniki.  Midva imava klaviri.  Midva imava dva klaviri.

Prosim

Cool Bob!  Only a few little things It's about pairs
Midva sva glasbenika. It's -a in the end for pairs. Glasbeniki would be for three or more. For pairs it's usually -a at the end. And then the same with "klavir". Midva imava klavirja. Midva imava dva klavirja. (you add -ja... not just -a, and for plural you add - je... So it would be: Mi imamo klavirje. )
Hmmm.... It's a little more complicated.... because we have (im not sure what's that called  ) But the end of the words changes... it's like:
If you ask yourself:
1.Who or what is this? To je klavir. To sta (2) klavirja. (3 or more) Klavirji.
2.Who or what is not here?(2) Klavirja. klavirjev. (3 or more) Klavirjev.
3.To whom or to what? (im not sure if that's the right way to say that in english):
Klavirju. (Dvema) klavirjema. (3 or more) Klavirjem.
4.Who or what I see? Klavir. (Dva) klavirja. (3or more) Klavirje.
5.With whom or with what? S klavirjem. Z (dvema) klavirjema. S (3or more) klavirji.
6.At who or what? Pri klavirju. Pri (dveh) klavirjih. Pri (3or more) klavirjih.
 
I think it's caled cases in English?  I don't really know how to explain it well.... But don't worry too much about it.... I mean even if you said it a little differenty everyone would understand . I guess this must look really bad.....  But don't worry too much about it    Even Slovenians don't always get all these right  

[Bob]

Takes notes...


For pairs it's usually -a at the end.

-i ending is for three or more.

klavir is klavirja for pairs

Midva imava klavirja.  For two.
For 3+,  Mi imamo klavire.


Bleh... That's getting more complicated with those endings.



I don't know if English has cases.  I think there were but they fell apart.  We still have different forms of pronouns though, same idea.  So yes, English has cases, but only what's left of them.  And I don't hear many people talking about cases.  Usually the same idea is 'direct object' or 'indirect object' in English.

I was staying away from those for now.  I can keep it simple for now until some of this sinks in more.  I think it would take some drilling to ingrain those pronouns better for me. 

Maybe it's different for Slovenian though.  I was thinking sentences like 'X is Y,' and 'X has Y,' were all subject (nominative) cases.

These are the cases I've heard of -- How many cases are there in Slovenian?  Six?
Nominative = subject
Accusative = direct object
Dative = indirect object/recipient of the direct object 
Genitive = Possession
Instrumental = Not sure exactly, but I've heard of it.

I get accusative and dative mixed up though, but I think that's right.

[littletune]

Takes notes...


For pairs it's usually -a at the end.

-i ending is for three or more.

klavir is klavirja for pairs

Midva imava klavirja.  For two.
For 3+,  Mi imamo klavire.

Mi imamo klavirje. For pair it's: -ja, for plural is: -je

Yes there are 6 cases in Slovenian language.
well in Slovenian language if you say someone has something. It's the fourth case, not the first one. It's the same (4th one) if you say: I see (or hear) someone or something.Or if you say: I love someone or something.
But if you say: X is Y... then it's the first case. Or if you would say: The piano is playing. (Klavir igra.) That would be the first case too. Or : The pianist is playing.  But if you say someone has something or sees or hears something then it's not 1st case anymore (for the thing or person that's on the second place in a sentence.... ) except for: x is y.... i can't think of any others now... 
So I guess you couldn't say that many things with just the first case.....  I guess you need the fourth one too. Except if you would say only sentences like: Piano is playing.... The sun is shining. A child is playing. Dog is barking... You know sentences with just one noun.

[Bob]

Notes...

Mi imamo klavirje. For pair it's: -ja, for plural is: -je
(It's starting to get beyond what my ind can take in.)



6 cases in Slovenian.


Dang... 'To have' something in Slovenian is gentive?  'X has Y' is gentive.  That is sounding a little familiar. 


I'll have to think. 

[littletune]

Well I don't know if it's called genitive  (maybe I should ask someone or look in some books)...
Bob I'll write you something in Slovenian....  Maybe you can see if you understand anything

Jaz sem Littletune. Ti si Bob. Ti si glasbenik. Tudi jaz sem glasbenica.
Bob je pianist. On ima klavir. Tudi jaz imam klavir. Bob in jaz sva pianista.
Tudi Birba, Wolfi in Thal so pianisti. Tudi oni imajo klavirje. Thal ima banjo.
Ahinton ni pianist. On je skladatelj.
Mi smo glasbeniki!

Did you understand?

[Bob]

Let's see...  Actually people can understand more than they study with context.  Although I see you've thrown in some other words...

I am Littletune.  You are Bob.  You are a musician.  I am also a musician.  Bob is a pianist.  He has a piano.  I also have a piano.  Bob and I are pianists.  Also Birba, Wolfi, and Thal are pinaists.  They also have pianos.  Thal has a banjo.  Ahinton is not a pianist.  (Not sure about that, if he really is or not.) He is a composer.  (Composer is skladtelj?)  We are musicians!

I was wondering about a few things, being literal about them.... although I solved that so nevermind.  I just need more drill and use of this stuff. 

Sva.. Which number is that again?

[littletune]

Wow Bob, you got everything right!! 

Sva is "are" for a pair. When you say: Midva sva. (We(two) are.)

Yes Composer is skladatelj. (And well I'm not sure about Ahinton either  . But he said himself that he doesn't play the piano so... I don't know      ).

Well just tell me if you need any more sentences to translate them or something like that  

[Bob]

Ja.  Jaz sem Bob.  That's what I keep going back to.  Jaz sem Bob. 

How about some possesive pronouns?
mine
your/fin
your/formal
his, hers, its

ours
yours, pl.
theirs

[littletune]

mine: moj if you say: Moj klavir. moja if you say: Moja flavta. (a female word), moje, if you say: Moje violončelo. And : moji if you say: Moji bobni. (plural)
so it's: moj (and you add: -a, -e, -i for female or neuter or plural) and it's the same with all others too.
So:
Moj (a,e,i)
Tvoj (a,e,i)
Vaš (a,e,i) (that's formal your)
Njegov (a,e, i)  (his)
Njen (a,e,i) (hers)
Njegov (a,e,i) (its) -the same as for his

Naš (a,e,i) (ours)
vaš (a,e,i) (yours)
Njihov (a,e,i) (theirs)

And also for pairs:
Najin (a,e,i)
Vajin (a,e,i)
Njun (a,e,i)

[Bob]

Hvala.  Wow.  My brain is full.  Haha.



Quick, copied, notes...

mine: moj if you say: Moj klavir. moja if you say: Moja flavta. (a female word), moje, if you say: Moje violončelo. And : moji if you say: Moji bobni. (plural)
so it's: moj (and you add: -a, -e, -i for female or neuter or plural) and it's the same with all others too.
So:
Moj (a,e,i)
Tvoj (a,e,i)
Vaš (a,e,i) (that's formal your)
Njegov (a,e, i)  (his)
Njen (a,e,i) (hers)
Njegov (a,e,i) (its) -the same as for his

Naš (a,e,i) (ours)
vaš (a,e,i) (yours)
Njihov (a,e,i) (theirs)

And also for pairs:
Najin (a,e,i)
Vajin (a,e,i)
Njun (a,e,i)
 
  
 


Hmm...

Moj klavir je crn.  Ja?

[littletune]

Hmm...

Moj klavir je crn.  Ja?

Ja Bob, pravilno!!!  That's exactly right!! 

[Bob]

Kraj je Littletune?

[littletune]

Hi Bob! I think I was dreaming something about teaching you Slovenian tonight but I can't really remember much.
Did you wanted to say: Kaj je Littletune? because "kraj" means "place" or something like that

[Bob]

I wanted "where." 

[littletune]

Oh right where I thought first that maybe you wanted to say that Where is "kje". So you would say: Kje je Littletune?
And "kraj" means place.

[Bob]

Ok.  Take two...

Kje je Littletune?

[littletune]

Ok.  Take two...

Kje je Littletune?

Littletune je tukaj. .... (here)
or... Littletune je doma. ..... (at home)
or... Littletune je v Sloveniji. .... (in Slovenia)
  

[Bob]

Ah, doma.  Jaz sem doma tudi.  Or is it just.... Jaz doma?    An idiom?

[littletune]

It's the way you said it first Except it would sound better if you put "tudi" somewhere else. Like: Tudi jaz sem doma. or: Jaz sem tudi doma.

[Bob]

Ah, hvala.  Jaz sem Bob.  Ti si Littletune.  Jaz sem... forgetting.  Haha.

Jaz need some verbs.  Tudi jaz need some verbs.   What is "to play" as in a musical instrument?

[tsveti]

Sorry for interrupting... How would you pronounce "kje"? In fact, how would you pronounce "j" in general?

Bob, hope you don't mind I use your topic and your teacher... It's just interesting

[Bob]

Kako upati si vi!   (How dare you!, stolen off a translator program site.)


I was thinking "k-yeh" for kje. 

Jaz igra klavir.   Ja?

Are there different categories of verbs?

[littletune]

Yes we say "j" like y . So I guess it's kyeh yes Maybe I should make a video sometime about how to pronounce words

It said : Kako upati si vi! in a translator ? Well I mean it's ok, people would understand that too but it's kinda funny anyway... We would say: Kako si upate!

It's: Jaz igram klavir.

to play - igrati

jaz igram
ti igraš
(Vi igrate)
on, ona, ono igra

mi igramo
vi igrate
oni, one igrajo

midva igrava
vidva igrata
onadva, onedve igrata

Hmm what do you mean different categories of verbs? Like how they end or something?

[tsveti]

Kako upati si vi!   (How dare you!, stolen off a translator program site.)


I was thinking "k-yeh" for kje. 

Jaz igra klavir.   Ja?

Are there different categories of verbs?

Sorry, won't happen again

[Bob]

That was a joke.

[Bob]

Yes, some languages have groups of verbs by how they end.  Some are nice and conjugate the same way.  Then there are other groups of them that are exceptions.

So...

Jaz sem Bob.  Jaz sem glasblenik.  In jaz igram klavier.

[littletune]

Well I don't really think there are different groups of verbs  I think all verbs just conjugate the same way... at least most of them, now I can't really remember any verbs that would end differently... well except maybe biti (to be) but I think this one is kinda special in all languages.

You probably just made spelling mistake but it's glasbenik (not glasblenik) and it's klavir (not klavier that's in German). But otherwise all sentences are right!

[Bob]

Jaz sem glasbenik.  Jaz igram klavir.

Kje is where.

What are the other question words?
who
what
when
why
how

Hvala

[Bob]

Približno o tvoa riba.

Or just... (Can you combine words like this?)
Približno tvoa riba.

[littletune]

Jaz sem glasbenik.  Jaz igram klavir.

Kje is where.

What are the other question words?
who
what
when
why
how

Hvala

who - kdo
what - kaj
when - kdaj
why - zakaj
how - kako

Prosim

Približno o tvoa riba.

Or just... (Can you combine words like this?)
Približno tvoa riba.

Hvala Bob.  Zelo si prijazen (you're very nice)
You wanted to say: I'm sorry about your fish? I wasn't completely sure at first because the first word (približno) doesn't really mean very much here... but then I put: "I am sorry about" in the translator and I saw where you got that word Približno means about, but not like if you say: "talking about" but like if you say: When I was about 4 years old.... or something like that. It's this kind of "about" So if you want to say I'm sorry about... it would be: Žal mi je za... I don't think you can translate this in English exactly... it's something like: It makes me sad for.... but just not exactly... I know this is a little too complicated now I  just wanted to tell you So you would say:  Žal mi je za tvojo ribo. (it's tvoja with -j) And it's 4th case so that's why it's: tvojo ribo (with -o in the end) , but in 1st case it is: tvoja riba. I think it's really good that you knew it was -a in the end of: tvoja. Because "riba" is a female word and that's why you say tvoja not tvoj. So that was really good! And I hope you don't get too confused because I explained sooo many things now
And thanks again

[Bob]

Žal mi je za tvojo ribo.

Yeah.  I stepped in it there.  Ugh..   Zal must mean something like "to sadden."  Fourth case is dative?  It looks like it, the recipient of the action, receiving the sadness. 

And then the za must be... a preposition.... and another case.  I'm getting confused on which is which. 

Looks like two cases there, right?  Recipient of the sadness -- mi, and a different case but same "person" invovled as jaz.  And the other case of a preposition, about... or za here...   Wait, wait... "Za" means "for" in Slovenian?  That's making more sense. 

Double case situation.... oh wow...... *alla the double rainbow*

[littletune]

Wow you're really good at this Bob! I didn't even think about that there are two different cases
There is a third case and a fourth case...
"mi" is the third case of "jaz" it's shorter for "meni" you know like you could say: Meni je žal. (instead of Žal mi je), so "mi" is third case of "jaz" and then za " tvojo ribo" is fourth case.

yes "za" means "for"

[littletune]

Kako je slovenščina Bob?  

[Bob]

Jaz sem here.

[littletune]

Jaz sem tukaj.

[littletune]

Hi Bob look... I will post pictures of some instruments... these pictures are from my music theory book (the new one)... so you can see the names of some instruments in Slovenian if you want

[thalbergmad]

Ég fékk kláða rass

[Bob]

Wow.  Hvala.  Jaz sem impressed.  (Is that right, or did I just say I am literally the stated of being impressed?)

[littletune]

Ég fékk kláða rass

What language was that Thal? 

Wow.  Hvala.  Jaz sem impressed.  (Is that right, or did I just say I am literally the stated of being impressed?)

It's ok if you say it this way! If I get any other pictures of instruments I'll post them

[Bob]

Ah cool.  Hvala (again).

[littletune]

Prosim. Ni za kaj!

(Oh you know that "impressed" isn't a Slovenian word right?  You're just saying English words cause otherwise you would have to learn too many words right?)

[Bob]

Jaz sem being lazy.  I didn't want to look it up.  And apparently it doesn't exist.  It would be past tense too and that would be more complicated.

[littletune]

  
Jaz sem len.  (that's a really short word for "being lazy" don't you think? )

Well no... I couldn't think of a Slovenian word for "impressed" either, I mean at least not that it would mean exactly the same  ) Well I think some people would say: Jaz sem impresioniran. I wouldn't say that cause it seems too complicated. But people say it sometimes.

Oh Bob can you tell for the instruments on pictures what gender they are? If you look at how the words end? (Two of the instruments are kinda complicated to figure out, but others are easy.)
 

[tsveti]

I want to try out for the complicated instruments One is masculine and one is feminine, right?

[littletune]

Hmm... which ones did you mean?