Bela Bartok Burleske op.8c

[lostinidlewonder]

I have been clear on this issue, if you persist to encourage others to believe that what I write is being personal then you can do so and I wont care. Since this is a internet forum I hold ZERO importance to what people think about me, I have been here for 6 years doing my thing and I have been completely happy and made tons of friendly associations with people. It seems to me stevebob that you take things personally online, in that case it is yourself who needs to reassess how you interact on the internet.

Of course we get people who say foolish things and then are surprised why I am commenting with disapproval. This is the internet, people have different ideas and concepts, I need people to elaborate on amazing ideas that they might have, when they do not it highlights to me at least that they haven't got any knowledge I wish to seek. There is however no problem in constantly debating with the person until they reveal more about what they know. Music after all is one of my biggest interests and I will happily discuss anything to do with it even if the person I am talking to is not on the same plane as myself.

[stevebob]

I have been clear on this issue, if you persist to encourage others to believe that what I write is being personal then you can do so and I wont care. Since this is a internet forum I hold ZERO importance to what people think about me, I have been here for 6 years doing my thing and I have been completely happy and made tons of friendly associations with people. It seems to me stevebob that you take things personally online, in that case it is yourself who needs to reassess how you interact on the internet.

Of course we get people who say foolish things and then are surprised why I am commenting with disapproval. This is the internet, people have different ideas and concepts, I need people to elaborate on amazing ideas that they might have, when they do not it highlights to me at least that they haven't got any knowledge I wish to seek. There is however no problem is constantly debating with the person until they reveal more about what they know. Music after all is one of my biggest interests and I will happily discuss anything to do with it even if the person I am talking to is not on the same plane as myself.

There's an adage here that goes, "Never wrestle with a pig.  You'll just get dirty, and the pig will enjoy it."

It's not literally about wrestling ... or pigs.

[lostinidlewonder]

Did you know that pigs can't look up at the sky? So I would attack them from above for most advantage.

It is lovely that you think of me as a pig, does it encourage any anger in me or annoyance? Not one bit! So I consider what the reason for you to post that, considering your words only, I can consider that you have no respect for people who debate in a different fashion as yourself.

[stevebob]

Did you know that pigs can't look up at the sky? So I would attack them from above for most advantage.

It is lovely that you think of me as a pig, does it encourage any anger in me or annoyance? Not one bit! So I consider what the reason for you to post that, considering your words only, I can consider that you have no respect for people who debate in a different fashion as yourself.

I give as good as I get.

[lostinidlewonder]

I give as good as I get.

Eww, no bedtime stories please.

[stevebob]

Eww, no bedtime stories please.

[Steffen Fahl]

I am a bit unhappy, that beside those in parts more than emphatic discussions, the very subject of the thread is so poorly mentioned by some of the people who post here.

Of course there are some kind and some honestly critical but still substancial and therefor interesting comments, but others seem instead criticising the music prefer to discuss just my certain approach to produce it, without any concrete relation to the interpretation, better recordings, the repertoire quality of the rarely heard composition etc.

So it still seem for me to be at least for a long way to go till the ears might open to listen without prejudice. I hope I might give you more reason in future with more contributions of more interesting pianomusic.

best
fahl5

[perfect_pitch]

So it still seem for me to be at least for a long way to go till the ears might open to listen without prejudice. I hope I might give you more reason in future with more contributions of more interesting pianomusic.

WRONG!!!!!

As far as I've read so far, the people here have been reading without prejudice. You just don't like what they have to say so you pretend that there's something wrong with them.

Unless they actual recordings you post in the future start to sound like a real piano - we will continue to give our honest criticism... and if you don't like it - well I'm sure there's another piano forum on the internet you can go and spam.

[lostinidlewonder]

I am a bit unhappy, that beside those in parts more than emphatic discussions, the very subject of the thread is so poorly mentioned by some of the people who post here.

I don't want you to feel unhappy. Here let me write something uncritical because my debating might have made you think I hate everything you do.
I think it is a service to the community that people can listen to your samples, some works are rarely recorded and also listening to your samples might give them the general idea of what the notes of a piece sounds like. For those who do not want to be influenced by musical interpretations your samples might give them an unbiased overview of the piece (although they must ignore the evenness of the playing and try to decipher the layers of sound).
    Before mp3s came out I use to listen to only midis of piano pieces on the internet. I liked this because they where so small to download and in the days of dial-up it was very important but also the fact that they didn't influence my musical decision making so much opened up a plane to understand the notes but not be fed any bias towards how it should be expressed. I think this is a good task for developing pianists so that they learn to craft their musical expression without being spoon-fed how it should be done by recordings from masters at a real piano.

... others seem instead criticising the music prefer to discuss just my certain approach to produce it, without any concrete relation to the interpretation, better recordings, the repertoire quality of the rarely heard composition etc.

How one produces the music is very important if they say that what they produce is of a unheard high standard or requires special music knowledge. I juxtaposed your Liszt sample with Arrau as analysis to your work the start of this procedure and following discussion is found here: https://www.pianostreet.com/smf/index.php?topic=35977.msg413898#msg413898

We do not have to do this with every single one of your samples that I did it the first time was because I wanted to really show you the differences. The result of that discussion made you explore the music in a lot more detail than I have ever seen from you before however your interpretation of the results was not orthodox which you admitted.

"Yes for sure my consequence in following the interpretation advises of the composers might appearear some points unorthodoxed, when it comes to deviate from conventional traditions of Interpretation, as it is likewise the fact that I try to work musically serious with sampled pianos. I know that this is experimental, and risky and irritating for many. "
from: https://www.pianostreet.com/smf/index.php?topic=35977.msg413952#msg413952

So it still seem for me to be at least for a long way to go till the ears might open to listen without prejudice. I hope I might give you more reason in future with more contributions of more interesting pianomusic.

The day that we consider midi and musical samples or computer playing on par or above real pianists playing on real pianos is the day that I quit performing and playing piano for real and start playing piano through a computer. But it just will never happen, you cannot replace the real piano keyboard, the physical connection with it cannot be replicated (even the best digitals don't come close), the sound is as various as an individual human, each piano has its own character.

@lostindlewonder
Since I nowhere found any hint that you might have ever performed anything on the piano expect three not very convincing midifiles......

Obviously your ability to search the Index of the Audition room is pretty poor. If you think midi is all I have presented I'm sorry but your opinion there is completely wrong just like many of your other ideas on my critique.

Since several reactions on my music there already seem to indicate, that it is possible to enjoy it, what means this great loss might be defenitly threatening.

Your samples are not threatening at all, they are just very irritating and computer like. Some people might like it but the majority see straight through the unmusical minded rendition.

[Steffen Fahl]

@ perfect_pitch
if you havent noticed it, there already are recordings on a real (dump) grandpiano, I have posted and there is aswell a positive reaction from someone of this board, as there are already enogh friendly reactions on my "midiinterpretations" at pianostreet, to know that you doesn't speak for no one else but for yourself. And If you try to post here - what ever you might think about what I am doing - in the same respectful and substancial manner as I try to comunicate with you, I'll be happy for every posting you will give to my threads.

@lostindlewonder
Since I nowhere found any hint that you might have ever performed anything on the piano expect three not very convincing midifiles, it would probably a great loss for the world of music if you might decide to quit performing. Since several reactions on my music there already seem to indicate, that it is possible to enjoy it, what means this great loss might be defenitly threatening. So help us god! At least I would prefer to know you are performing music on a piano than to know that you might answer some more posting like you did in the past. ;-)
best
fahl5
Edit: here are two more not so well known pieces from the early 20th century I have recorded them several years ago