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johnmar78
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new video Chopin op10-10
on: March 31, 2012, 09:09:24 AM
Folks,here is my 6 months take,
I am brave enough to to sumit this not worried about losing face or antything. My aim is to make music and improve playing.
Please tell me ALL negatives/positives critics. Be constructive, eg time, and support your arugument.
I would not take it personal or lose face.
I will increase tempo once I sort out all your issues.
Ps. 1) My hands is motionless, but no stiff hands or whrist. And Yes, I use metronome too for all my work.
Thanks
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pianowolfi
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Re: new video Chopin op10-10
Reply #1 on: March 31, 2012, 10:02:24 AM
I have also listened to some of your previous recordings of this Etude and I noticed basically the same thing in all of them: your right hand is quite there in most parts, but the left hand not yet. So I'd suggest to work especially on the left hand, also separately, for a while.
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johnmar78
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Re: new video Chopin op10-10
Reply #2 on: March 31, 2012, 10:34:30 AM
thanks Wofi, LH...ok, I will pay mor eattention on LH melody. Ta,,,next...more.......
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birba
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Re: new video Chopin op10-10
Reply #3 on: March 31, 2012, 11:19:40 AM
I think every pianist has a specific relationship to these etudes and we can't judge someone with the same measure we would judge, let's say, martha argerich. It's obvious that the etudes are not feasible at the tempo indicated for most of us. But that doesn't mean that we can't get a lot of benefits, technical and otherwise, out of them. Your tempo was acceptable - it had movement and direction. You will have noticed the theme never appears the same way twice. The melody, of course, projects itself without you thinking about it, so you have to play particular attention to when it's in groups of 2 eighth notes and groups of 3. It's difficult to master this and you have to do a lot of slow practise, exaggerating the accents. The use of pedal depends on how the theme is presented. Wolfi is right about the weakness of the left hand. When your doing slow practise exaggerate the accents with the l-h- as well. (And of course, lots of hands separate practising. You should be able to play the l.h. by itself, from memory)"
but I have to admire your guts in presenting this and in one take. It wasn't bad at all!
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starstruck5
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Re: new video Chopin op10-10
Reply #4 on: March 31, 2012, 01:11:16 PM
AS always I agree with Birba -
I was very impressed with your phrasing -you have an innate feel for Chopin. All the dancing shadows withing the sparkling light were beautifully expressed -
I look forward to hearing more -
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costicina
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Re: new video Chopin op10-10
Reply #5 on: March 31, 2012, 01:13:26 PM
Hi John,
you've done the bulk of the job -- and with a Chopin Etude this is in itself a big achievement, I'm truly impressed!!.
Now you are ready to start the patient, painstakingly refining work that these Etudes require (speed, accuracy, etc.). But I'm sure you'll soon be able to master this piece....
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rachfan
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Re: new video Chopin op10-10
Reply #6 on: March 31, 2012, 09:16:15 PM
Hi John,
I believe progress continues to be made here. The big thing here is the chord study in the RH while coping too with changes in touch and rhythm. I liked birba's prescription for using exaggeration of motions of the LH and accents in the RH. I too find that this is a good way to practice. Whenever you overemphasize something, somehow it imprints itself on the brain; but then you can later ease off from that overemphasis to get just the right amount appropriate to the musical context, so that you can execute the figuration while making it blend into the musical line too. These pieces are very difficult, each in their own way.
Rubinstein played many of the etudes, but not all. He felt that he simply could not do justice to the remaining ones. He loved playing the Trois Nouvelles Etudes as those were more within his comfort zone. So even the great artists have often had to come to terms with these pieces.
David
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johnmar78
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Re: new video Chopin op10-10
Reply #7 on: April 01, 2012, 02:16:37 AM
thanks very much ladies and gents for your feed back.
This is what I would implement:
1) Articulation on LH
2) Accent practice on both
3) more phrasing.
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candlelightpiano
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Re: new video Chopin op10-10
Reply #8 on: April 06, 2012, 01:18:50 AM
What an absolutely delightful etude! Love that light, tinkly melody. Reminds me of the music used in some 1920s or 1930s movies. I'm probably not correct with those dates but I seem to remember watching some movies where they used light, sweet melodies like this. I must look into this etude. It was lovely, John. Thanks so much for sharing!
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