Chopin op10-1 my practice at 100 per corchet

[johnmar78]

Folks, here is my practcie today taht I am excited with new Korg Tm40 metronome, its so easy to use-tempo up or down, much easier than the traditional mechnical metronome. 3AAAs, lasted 50 hours.

In my video, that is the warm up to do for about 50minutes, there are few missing thumb notes due to careless. I will fix that up as this is my demo take. I aimed to focus on RH and accent on first beat, at this stage, the LH is sort of low profile thereofre no free gravity drop yet.  Therefore some parts that may need 'parallel set' practice to overcome with....but at the end of 50 minutes, your hands should still feel the same as start perhaps a little tired inside the palm. Yes, your foram, should not feel sore or fatique at end of 50minutes, if so, you are doing too fast. So this is my new OVERHAUL to all my Chopin studies. I hope this will give you guys some inspirations to start.

DO NOT follow me if you think its wrong.

Forgot to say, I practice this with no pedal

Any questions please ask...

[candlelightpiano]

Thanks for posting, John.  I was thinking of attempting this arpeggio study etude, too.  It has a beautiful melody.  That new metronome, can you set it to ring too or does it just tick?  How do you play this piece for 50 mins without tiring?!?   

[pianowolfi]

In this your movements make a much more "relaxed" impression on me, they flow much more naturally. Now I think it's very important to let this sink in, work at this speed, or slower, and try to make your movements as efficient as possible, while keeping the "organic" flow, without forcing the speed too much. Shortest possible way on the keys, good legato. Do you sometimes pull up your shoulders, especially when you are coming down into the bass?

[johnmar78]

thanks folks, Choo, this Metronome is  magic, it has 4 differnt bell sound and more. and also has left and right flash red lights. In LCD screen it also has swing arms, if you can not syn the sound, you can just syn the lights instead. And more, on the LH of metrome, it has a digital tuneres tune your piano from c3 to c6. It makes my tunning much much easier, but you still need to tune by ear. It also has ear phon eplug in and tuning speakers..my God.
I play 50 minutes, as I said this is a new overhaul, pushing speed just makes your muscle tired and this is WRONG. , so Working at slow speed is the CORRECT way, I mean slow enough, or even snail pace-depend on each persons coordination and talents. You have to pick a speed taht you think you can last for at least 30 miniutes without any sign of forarm or back of your palm osreness or tension, if you do, you are either doing too fast or too much tension as said by Mr. WOLFI or NY. Think about walking 2 miles instead of sprint for 2 miles.

And WOLIFI, it must be a miracle I passed your video test . I raise my shoulder sometimes to absorb  force or slight jump in my seat for heavy LF. Generaly when I play faster, I move my body Left to right to follow my hands. soon, I will give a positive recording.

[pianowolfi]

And WOLIFI, it must be a miracle I passed your video test .

"Dear sir"  , I did not do any test(s) with you  
 
All I did was commenting on one specific recording of your's (https://www.pianostreet.com/smf/index.php?topic=45863.msg499718#msg499718) which seemed to me just "not yet there at all" in terms of technique and I thought quite a lot about it (since I am also practicing this Etude op. 10,4) and I know it inside and out, since years), and watched and listened to it repeatedly, to be sure, and all I did was speaking my mind honestly, and giving you suggestions, as far as I could.

[danhuyle]

I'm practicing this etude. I'm at 80 per crotchet. Although I have played at 100, it's easier to maintain at 80. So far I've only done the 1st 8 bars.

In Op10/1 forcing the speed will tire your arms out.

[ajspiano]

I'm practicing this etude. I'm at 80 per crotchet. Although I have played at 100, it's easier to maintain at 80. So far I've only done the 1st 8 bars.

In Op10/1 forcing the speed will tire your arms out.

I don't really feel that I get tired - its more like forcing speed results in a fairly exponential increase in the likelihood of slips. I performed it publicly for the first time today, just at the Melbourne library. I probably played a tempo range of 120-144. Needs a lot of work on the tough spots to be able to play it faster, as I have something like 40% of the piece capable of 160-176, another 40% at a safe top of 120, and a few places I really shouldn't play over 100 just yet..

I'm 2 months solid work into it as of a few days ago.

The folk at the library were impressed, I feel that they were perhaps a little ignorant 

[49410enrique]

my nausicaa piece that is based on this etude is the same way, if i force the speed on too fast bad playing mechanics habits start to creep in, i'm finding that purposely forcing very slow non pedal practice is the way to go for me at least, since with the pedal down it's hard to hear where you don't effectively transfer all the way into the bottom of the key, espeically at faster tempos, this is important because the expressive tones are the chord 9ths (those 2nd intervals) where you ear will pick up on all the overtones becuase of the wide tonal range and open dampers.


also alternating slow fast slow fast (for each 1/16th in RH) and the reversing fast slow fast slow (i.e. swing and reverse swing on 16ths) has been helping a bit. once that works at a particular goal tempo, i do stop and go practice, i.e. large beat to large beat then measure to measure, i.e. hold first note of first beat a few clicks, then a tempo all notes from 2 on then land on first note of next measure, repeat etc. that seems to be working