Rotation of arm

[keyboardclass]

drivel

[nyiregyhazi]

drivel

That's your best argument? And you wonder why I call you a troll? What is your alternative explanation to how a relaxed wrist might defy gravity by going up instead of down- if not hand or arm activity? Anyway, I am not going to respond to any further posts that have nothing to say about topical issues.

[keyboardclass]

That's your best argument?

No.  It's your best post!

[pts1]

nyire:

Well, I given all the effort I'm going to to this particular discussion. I post what I consider to be solid evidence in terms of videos, compositions requiring upper arm rotation, and lastly a truly scientific paper on this very subject -- and yet in spite of this, you see only what you want to see, and conclude only what you want to conclude.

If I played the Schumann G minor Sonata 1st or 3rd movement for you up to speed and told you how I do it (with upper arm rotation as well as forearm and finger all coordinated in the correct movement) no doubt you'd tell me I was kidding myself, and/or though I was playing it well, I was in denial about how I accomplished it.

So, it would seem, this topic for you is actually religion and not science, and its just crazy to argue religion with anyone especiallly when one is a clear headed agnostic<g>.

[nyiregyhazi]

nyire:

Well, I given all the effort I'm going to to this particular discussion. I post what I consider to be solid evidence in terms of videos, compositions requiring upper arm rotation, and lastly a truly scientific paper on this very subject -- and yet in spite of this, you see only what you want to see, and conclude only what you want to conclude.

? As I stated, the "science" refers to striking of a single octave. It says literally nothing about the type of rotation that causes rocking within the hand- which is the specific issue I disputed. It's ironic that you speak of "seeing what you want to see"- because the diagrams in the paper show it refers to rocking of the upper arm forwards or backwards. It has no bearing on rotations that rock the hand from side to side and neither does it suggest that such rotations are a direct instigator for key depression. Your response makes me wonder if you actually read what I wrote in any detail. I made a point of making it quite clear that I was not disputing occurrence of rotation in the Schumann sonata but the SPECIFIC NATURE and rate of the rotation- and what role it actually plays in contributing to key depression. Could you please read my post again- rather than attribute views to me that are totally unrepresentative of what I stated?

The quasi-religious belief is that whole arm rotation is significant enough to account for actual key-depression. The pragmatic view is that it can sometimes contribute, but that it is not remotely quick enough to account for key-depression for rapid passages. I learned this the hard way- by having tried to take it literally without having developed adequate finger movement. Rotation is not fast enough, either with braced fingers or relaxed fingers. Try touching your upper arm while playing such passages and see how fast it really moves.

[keyboardclass]

It says literally nothing about the type of rotation that causes rocking within the hand- which is the specific issue I disputed. It's ironic that you speak of "seeing what you want to see"- because the diagrams in the paper show it refers to rocking of the upper arm forwards or backwards. It has no bearing on rotations that rock the hand from side to side

And where's my thanks for pointing this out to you?

[pianoman53]

nyire:

Well, I given all the effort I'm going to to this particular discussion. I post what I consider to be solid evidence in terms of videos, compositions requiring upper arm rotation, and lastly a truly scientific paper on this very subject -- and yet in spite of this, you see only what you want to see, and conclude only what you want to conclude.

My point exactly. Though, your way of telling it might have been a bit more mature than mine...

[alhimia]

I looked at hers webpage and could not find one single student of Taubman to become a pianist of stature. As such one could conclude her work has rather academic interest, than a universal "revolutionary" method.

Best, M    

Perhaps you looked at the wrong website (there are more than one) but on the website of the Golandsky Institute you would find the Russian pianist Ilya Itin. Whether you like him or not, he has achieved quite something, including winning the Leeds competition, and plays a lot of concerts.
Ironically, the very same Itin studied before with your own teacher Lev Naumov, the latter in your opinion the best "God" ever existed. Strangely enough, after that experience, Ilya chose to dedicate himself fully to Taubman and Golandsky...

[khadsell]

All arm and finger movements should be eliminated.....

[counterpoint]

There are many possibilities to strike the keys at the piano. Rotating the forearm is one of these possibilities.
It would be silly to make a religion out of it by saying, arm rotation is the one and only way of healthy piano playing.

In some cases it is very useful, in other cases it is complete nonsense. Double rotation in fast scales
is the weirdest thing I can imagine