My teacher said to me that metronome was invented to CHECK the "beat and tempo mark only and was not designed for " practice" for a long period...
No good classical pianist ever interpretes music metronomically. But all of them are able to play in sync with the metronome, if they choose to do so for any reason.
Rubato means slow down for the hard parts and speed up for the fun parts - I could live with that, as predicable!
The click of the metronome should be covered by the attack of the note, and disappear.
While young. It is a skill that fades with age, if not periodically refreshed. And one that soloists do not always have in abundance. (and don't get me started on church organists!)
IMO, playing with the metronome fosters a dependance on a time keeping device, where such device takes precedence and imposes suppression of all other musico-expressive, communicative and organizational aspects of the music.
Oh dear me. Well, you asked for it. I was, until I retired, a church organist (Minister of Music/Choir Director -- pick your title). Almost 50 years. Until you have had the rather interesting job of accompanying a processional or recessional hymn in a moderately sized hall -- my last job was in a hall over 300 feet (100 meters) from end to end, with a reverb time on the order of ten seconds and with parts of my instrument as much as 200 feet from each other, and keeping yourself, the congregation, the choir, and the celebrants all on the beat at a steady tempo, you have absolutely no clue as to the level of tempo sense and stability required of a "church organist".
It is my theory that it is precisely that degree of difficulty that erodes the time sense of organist. I can't prove it.I can prove by a substantial amount of anecdotal evidence and personal observation that it is common for church organists to lack the ability to hold a steady tempo. However, they are a dying breed, and we are glad to get one at all!...
Only if you use it at all times, which would be ridiculous. But some people need to gain that sense of grounding, learn how to subdivide, etc. In high school I played with a bass drummer who couldn't find steady quarter notes if you beat him over the head with them.
thanks for your inputs, gals and guys,,,,more please..next.... Tim42, "the click of metronome should dissapeared with teh attack of the note"-thats is so true, I like it.
Occasionally I use the metronome, but only to see how fast a song is supposed to go.
I also play boogie, which is highly metronomic. I've been toying with it for years, but it hasn't created an internal metronome in me. My dad is so amused by my inability to stay with him in duets that he made a track where he played a duet with himself, intentionally making one of the two left hands out of sync with the other in imitation of me. So, I sometimes use a metronome to attempt to tighten my boogie.
. I trust my inner sense of rythm, and I use the metronome as a reference of how fast do I play a piece and how fast is it supposed to be played.
Do you ever play in an ensemble, such that you have to play exactly WITH an external time source, and cannot float along on your inner pulse? If you do, do you ever record your performance and check that you are really doing what you think you are doing?
If a song calls for 80 bpm how do you know if you are playing without a metronome? Do some people have that good of internal tempo that they can do that? Also, if you are playing a piece without a metronome and you get your timing off, how do you get back to the right tempo without a metronome? Do you just speed your playing back up and then think *ahh that feels like 80 bpm let's settle here*?
I have a question maybe someone can help me with. If a song calls for 80 bpm how do you know if you are playing without a metronome? Do some people have that good of internal tempo that they can do that? Also, if you are playing a piece without a metronome and you get your timing off, how do you get back to the right tempo without a metronome? Do you just speed your playing back up and then think *ahh that feels like 80 bpm let's settle here*?I'm a new piano player with horrible internal tempo so any help is appreciated!
I have a question maybe someone can help me with. If a song calls for 80 bpm how do you know if you are playing without a metronome? Do some people have that good of internal tempo that they can do that? Also, if you are playing a piece without a metronome and you get your timing off, how do you get back to the right tempo without a metronome? Do you just speed your playing back up and then think *ahh that feels like 80 bpm let's settle here*?Pal, if you practice at 80 for a while, your muscle memory will play at that timing. I did few experiments already, while doing 132, and when i did my recording the paly back beat is 132, if not 126-136. But very close thst is negliteble.I'm a new piano player with horrible internal tempo so any help is appreciated!
I've used the metronome to play through short pieces from start to finish depending on what the piece is. Some pieces you can do that. Then there's pieces where you'd want to get comfortable with notes and technique, then practice with the metronome to keep the rhythm solid.
Is it bad to tap your foot with the beat to help keep time when you're playing?
I agreed with you totally, especially doing recording.
Yes. Smooth playing is having all notes of the same value played at&for the same time. All 1/8's should be of the same length, etc. When they are different your playing either sounds rushed or hesitant. With time the metronome will become your friend.
Yes. Smooth playing is having all notes of the same value played at&for the same time. All 1/8's should be of the same length, etc. When they are different your playing either sounds rushed or hesitant.
With time the metronome will become your friend.
And when you are asked to sit in with your friends who have a garage band you will be able to blend right in...
Consistent beat, or at least a beat that can be "felt" by the listener is far more important than perfect note lengths throughout - and if you have that you'll fit right into that garage band as well.
If you can't play with a metronome you aren't ready to play with a garage band either.Bad as they are, you'll get laughed off the place. Not saying you have to play WITH a metronome all the time, or even often - but it's a skill you MUST have if you're ever going to play with anybody else.And I can tell you from long experience gigging that a lot of pianists who THINK they have that skill really DON'T.
A metronome may also act as a crutch, being used as a substitute for that internal development, and possibly hindering it. In these cases, it's regular or routine use should be avoided at all costs.