Yeah, I read . But, my way is still possible following all the rules, so ... and there is no logical reason for anybody to wait a single night before going to the fairy, since there is no stated limit on how many nights they can go there. If it were me, I'd go the first night and throw it down ... if I were wrong, I'd go the next night, etc..
Except they have to know it logically to get off, and in your theorem they only guess at it
The brown eyed guys never get off (unless the guru speaks again).
Wrong. The brown-eyed guys leave the night after the blue-eyed guys, because they realize that if the blue eyed guys all left without them, they must not be part of the blue-eyed guys. Although, I guess they don't know there's only 1 green-eyed person, soooo........yeh I guess you're right. Right.
They also don't know if they maybe have red eyes.
Logically, they might, too.
But not logically they must. And it's a thought experiment; the Fairy can't be fooled.
No, no. Not fooled ... convinced.
Nah. Convincing someone you believe something you don't is trying to fool them. The Fairy knows.
And, btw, if people aren't going to the fairy every night, trying to convince him, there's no way for us as the reader to know which day the Guru spoke, and on which day people left according to the theorems. We only know (according to the theorems) in relation to whatever day she actually spoke and after that.
eh, lil' fairy. My eyes are blue. Got it? Blue. You see this? *points to eyes* these are blue eyes.
LOL. Or you could use a gun. Still won't convince the Fairy.
*walks up with a cake and a 6-pack of beer* eeehhhh there, fairy. I've got me some blue as sky eyes, and I've got you this delicious cake and 6-pack of ice cold beer. Yup, life is good. Here ya' go, fairy.
knew that
It's a ferry, not a fairy you guys
How do we know what day the Guru spoke, hmmm?
It doesn't matter, but you answer by reference to that day.
Excuse me, ferry, but I beg to differ as needing to know on which night people left was specifically asked as though it were part of the logic, and it's part of the answer as though it actually matters (and it's related to which day the Guru spoke).
The answer is in the form of "A certain number of a certain group left on the Xth night after the Guru spoke" If more than one number leave, you repeat for each such number. The speaking of the Guru is significant, and the nights are counted from that day.
Except for the fact that, according to the "logic" used in the theorems, everybody could be deducing by the exact same logic from day one whether the Guru spoke or not. The Guru didn't tell them anything that they didn't already know. What's the point of the Guru?
The guru allows the example to work with any number of blue eyed people. The "100 brown eyed 100 blue eyed" is just an arbitrary number chosen to make things simplistic. If there were only one blue eyed person, he wouldn't know if he had blue eyes or what
it's a logic puzzle
No, if there are ways around it and loopholes within it, then it's just a kite without a string .
No, the whole point of a logic puzzle is you ignore any loopholes and just recognize the intention of the instructions without forcing the puzzler to list every single possible scenario that is completely irrelevant to the logic behind the puzzle. Finding "loopholes" like "Why don't they just build a raft" is clearly missing the point of the puzzle.
No, "logic" means there are no loopholes in the actual process of deduction along the line of reasoning given, and therefore there is one right answer which can be reached by following the line of reasoning which must lead to that correct answer. If there are loopholes along the way within the reasoning itself, more than one answer can be reached and therefore there is no accurate deduction process. If there are loopholes within the logic which change the direction of deduction, there's a problem that goes beyond semantics and just trying to see the intention of the person deciding to pose an imperfect puzzle. The Theorems don't match the scenario, especially in light of the fact that the Guru doesn't give any information they don't already have.
Explain which theorems are incorrect and why. I see no flaws in the actual logic of the puzzle, and I have spent considerable time thinking about it.
I think the logic of the puzzle is sound and remarkable. I think the solution of the puzzle relies on some premises not included: the guru will not lie when he speaks, everyone on the island knows it, and everyone on the island knows that everyone on the island knows it (it is a "rule of the island" just like how everyone who knows the color of his eyes will leave that night). Unless I'm mistaken, this information is critical to the solution of the problem. It is the great irony since the guru's words seem to state something that everyone already knew anyway.
Here's an idea. Why don't you guys and gals (well, principally two-and-a-bit of you between you - you know who you are!) put all this on one side for a moment
and go listen to Shostakovich's Fourth Symphony
Speaking of riddles, incidentally, I discovered the answer to a quite famous one that has so long plagued and perplexed people about Elgar's so-called Enigma Variations.
Here's another one. You'll probably figure this out real quick.Okay SO... This is how it is.There's a bunch of people on this plane right?The plane crashes in the middle of the ocean and everyone dies.Where did the survivors bury the bodies?
What survivors?
Somebody do another tricky one. I will (try to) be nicer and stuff this time .
Do I get extra points if I use the Copenhagen explanation of quantum mechanics in my answer?
You are standing outside a room with three switches at the door. One of them turns on the light in the room and the others do nothing. Inside the room is a simple light fixture with just a old school bulb sticking in it. There is no indication of any kind on the switch or outside the room to indicate which one it is. The door is sealed airtight and you cannot see any light through the cracks. So there is no way to know with the door closed which switch turns on the light.You can play all you want with the switches but you can only open the door once and examine the room. After this you have to know which of the three switches turns on the light. How do you do it?You know the light is off when you start. All three switches have an "on " and "off" position and you can't touch the switches after you opened the door.
Edit: You also lose points for asking stupid questions. You are currently at negative 23 arbitrary internet points
minus 24.
I know, minus 24.
Ok, here are some things that come to mind which I am assuming to be true and want to clarify:1. There is a possible answer using logic alone. a. I don't need special knowledge of electricity and wiring, etc.. b. It has nothing to do with being able to hear it or feel it if there is electricity running.2. Formation of the switches and where they are in relation to each other is unimportant (and I can therefore visualize it in whatever way I wish).
I rather suspect that one must inspect the room with more than eyes.
Topic: Riddles! 