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Offline musicioso

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Why is there so much hate for Evgeny Kissin on youtube?
« on: August 26, 2012, 08:46:59 PM »
Even if he is a very bad pianist, i still dont understand why do so much people write very ugly stuff about him?

Any idea?

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Re: Why is there so much hate for Evgeny Kissin on youtube?
«Reply #1 on: August 26, 2012, 09:19:40 PM »
Why do you say he's VERY bad? Thousands of people enjoy his playing and pay money to see him play at the concert.  ;)

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Re: Why is there so much hate for Evgeny Kissin on youtube?
«Reply #2 on: August 26, 2012, 09:34:50 PM »
I kinda like Kissin...n huggin too, with the right girl, o course ;D

But in all honestly, I think Kissin's a very good pianist. Maybe people hate him because he looks like that weird kid everyone bullied in high school, and probably was that weird kid everyone bullied in high school. Or maybe they're jealous? People do that with Lang Lang too, saying he doesn't deserve to be famous and such, some guy in another thread, perfect_pitch, even claimed to be better than Lang Lang :-\

But I really like his Prokofiev 2, and what else I've heard from him is good too.

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Re: Why is there so much hate for Evgeny Kissin on youtube?
«Reply #3 on: August 26, 2012, 09:58:59 PM »
Hmm, well YT is pretty full of hate in general. For EK I find that stuff about his mother a bit creepy.

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Re: Why is there so much hate for Evgeny Kissin on youtube?
«Reply #4 on: August 26, 2012, 10:37:27 PM »
You think there's hate for Evgeny Kissin on youtube?

Have you even gone to a Lang Lang video?



No but yeah, usually when someone is really good, they get A LOT of haters.  You see this in like every activity.  In basketball, everyone hates Lebron James.  Even when Micheal Jordan was around, everyone hated him at the time.  Nyjah Huston who just won street league gets a lot of haters because he wins everything in skateboarding.  Ryan Sheckler gets a lot of haters because he was an X games Champion a bunch of times.  Only after Kissin and Lang Lang is dead, they will be recognized by everyone as amazing musicians.  Like every other composer!

That's just how it is.  If you have a lot of haters, that's a good thing.  That means that you're doing something right.
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Re: Why is there so much hate for Evgeny Kissin on youtube?
«Reply #5 on: August 26, 2012, 10:40:53 PM »
prefect_pitch said that he is better than Lang Lang!!!!!?????? First, you shouldn't boast. Second, perfect_pitch probably doesn't even know what Lang Lang had to go through to get big. Lang Lang  explains it in his own memoir, Journey of a Thousand Miles. The memoir has many parts that just makes you want to cry.  :'(
Bach Prelude and Fugue BWV848
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Re: Why is there so much hate for Evgeny Kissin on youtube?
«Reply #6 on: August 26, 2012, 11:36:36 PM »
That's just how it is.  If you have a lot of haters, that's a good thing.  That means that you're doing something right.

Counterexample: Hitler

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Re: Why is there so much hate for Evgeny Kissin on youtube?
«Reply #7 on: August 27, 2012, 02:27:09 AM »
Counterexample: Hitler

Another counterexample:  Bach
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Re: Why is there so much hate for Evgeny Kissin on youtube?
«Reply #8 on: August 27, 2012, 04:24:30 PM »
Another counterexample:  Bach
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Re: Why is there so much hate for Evgeny Kissin on youtube?
«Reply #9 on: August 28, 2012, 01:58:46 AM »
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Look kid...  I know you're an incoming freshman right? 

Well in high school, everyone has at least 10 people that hates you no matter what.  The school board MAKES SURE OF THAT.  If you ever fall short of that number, then they'll usually transfer another student to the school and that person will hate you.  But anyways, you get those people the same day you get your schedule, ID, books, etc.  The only reason why you don't have a list of those 10 haters is because you don't need to know them!     

So anyways, your priority is to make that list larger by excelling at what you do.  joining clubs, getting good grades, playing Rachmaninoff or Scriabin, doing sports, etc...  And by the end of your high school career, you need a certain amount of haters before you can graduate.  Of course that varies due to the size of each school, but you know what I mean.  Ever wonder why people fail senior year?  NOT ENOUGH HATERS!!!

No but yeah, you'll notice when your list of haters get larger.  Trust me...  You'll just know.  And when you do, you will feel proud of yourself. 


 
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Re: Why is there so much hate for Evgeny Kissin on youtube?
«Reply #10 on: August 28, 2012, 02:06:46 AM »
Look kid...  I know you're an incoming freshman right? 

Well in high school, everyone has at least 10 people that hates you no matter what.  The school board MAKES SURE OF THAT.  If you ever fall short of that number, then they'll usually transfer another student to the school and that person will hate you.  But anyways, you get those people the same day you get your schedule, ID, books, etc.  The only reason why you don't have a list of those 10 haters is because you don't need to know them!     

So anyways, your priority is to make that list larger by excelling at what you do.  joining clubs, getting good grades, playing Rachmaninoff or Scriabin, doing sports, etc...  And by the end of your high school career, you need a certain amount of haters before you can graduate.  Of course that varies due to the size of each school, but you know what I mean.  Ever wonder why people fail senior year?  NOT ENOUGH HATERS!!!

No but yeah, you'll notice when your list of haters get larger.  Trust me...  You'll just know.  And when you do, you will feel proud of yourself. 


 

No wonder the US is slipping down the education tables!

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Re: Why is there so much hate for Evgeny Kissin on youtube?
«Reply #11 on: August 28, 2012, 02:36:57 AM »
No wonder the US is slipping down the education tables!

I know you're kidding, but the real reason our education isn't as good as it could be sucks is because it's basically impossible to get fired as a public school teacher unless you abuse a student. Like, sexually. Verbal abuse is fine. Physical abuse...generally not okay, but there has to be proof. As far as sexual abuse goes, if someone even hints that a teacher did anything that was even remotely beyond a strict teacher-student relationship, even without proof, you're out. Which is actually unfortunate, because many teachers, especially male, are afraid to form connections with their students because of how much they'd be screwed over if a kid lied or even made a joke in front of the wrong person about the teacher abusing them.

Anyway, the teachers also have degrees in education, since it's required to be hired, which doesn't really make any sense, because being a good teacher has more to do with personality, knowledge in the subject you're teaching, and a desire to actually be a good teacher than it does with an education...makes more sense to have the teachers get a degree in whatever they're going to teach. And then there's the problem that teachers get switched around like crazy. Half the foreign language teachers I know of in the public high schools in my town didn't know anything about the language they were teaching until after they started teaching it (and even then, don't know very much).

And then there's the problem of motivation. Young teachers come to schools, full of ideals, wanting to make a difference in children's lives and all that, and it's stomped out immediately because of the way things are run. Going above and beyond to get students encouraged in a subject is often actively discouraged. It's more about adhering strictly to a terrible curriculum than actually teaching students.

And after all these problems (and tons more), people blame it on lack of money into the schools. I went to a private high school where their budget per student was about half that in most public schools, and I got a tons better education than most people from public schools in my town.

But yeh, you gotta watch out for dem haters. Everyone thought I was gay for a while a few years ago, which led to some seriously irritating bullying, I guess you'd call it. Generally not physical, never got beaten up, but I got shoved around a bit and was generally harassed. I guess people insecure about the size of their manhood have to let it out somehow, right?

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Re: Why is there so much hate for Evgeny Kissin on youtube?
«Reply #12 on: August 28, 2012, 02:45:40 AM »
No wonder the US is slipping down the education tables!

Hey don't think lowly of me!  Think lowly of everyone AROUND me.

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I don't believe I acquired any haters during my later school years, but they let me out.

That's because you're a PROFESSIONAL pianist!  Those are the only exception to the rule!
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Re: Why is there so much hate for Evgeny Kissin on youtube?
«Reply #13 on: August 28, 2012, 02:49:46 AM »


But yeh, you gotta watch out for dem haters. Everyone thought I was gay for a while a few years ago, which led to some seriously irritating bullying, I guess you'd call it. Generally not physical, never got beaten up, but I got shoved around a bit and was generally harassed. I guess people insecure about the size of their manhood have to let it out somehow, right?

I hate people like that.









Not gay people in case if there was a misunderstanding there.
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Re: Why is there so much hate for Evgeny Kissin on youtube?
«Reply #14 on: August 28, 2012, 03:44:11 AM »
Hey don't think lowly of me!  Think lowly of everyone AROUND me.

That's because you're a PROFESSIONAL pianist!  Those are the only exception to the rule!

I don't think lowly of you. Except that you CANNOT REMEMBER FOR MORE THAN FIVE MINUTES THAT I AM AN AMATEUR!
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Re: Why is there so much hate for Evgeny Kissin on youtube?
«Reply #15 on: August 28, 2012, 03:47:45 AM »
I don't think lowly of you. Except that you CANNOT REMEMBER FOR MORE THAN FIVE MINUTES THAT I AM AN AMATEUR!
 ::)

You liar. Amateurs tread carefully through repertoire, not ROMP through it. :D

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Re: Why is there so much hate for Evgeny Kissin on youtube?
«Reply #16 on: August 28, 2012, 03:54:21 AM »
Amateurs tread carefully through repertoire, not ROMP through it.

Quite the reverse. Professionals have to take care to do what is professionally viable. We amateurs can do as we please, and the occassional romp is good for the soul.
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Re: Why is there so much hate for Evgeny Kissin on youtube?
«Reply #17 on: August 28, 2012, 04:05:43 AM »
Quite the reverse. Professionals have to take care to do what is professionally viable. We amateurs can do as we please, and the occassional romp is good for the soul.

Only you can say that because you ARE a professional pianist! 

How do you know how both sides learn music if you haven't experienced it!

It's settled then!  You were first an amateur pianist, and now you're a PROFESSIONAL pianist!
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Re: Why is there so much hate for Evgeny Kissin on youtube?
«Reply #18 on: August 28, 2012, 04:07:43 AM »
Hey don't think lowly of me!  Think lowly of everyone AROUND me.

That's how I feel about American haters who are American. Like, "All Americans are dumb rednecks, except me. I'm smart."

Quite the reverse. Professionals have to take care to do what is professionally viable. We amateurs can do as we please, and the occassional romp is good for the soul.

That's the other thing I'd like to add to my comment in the other thread re: career in music with rach_forever. I like that I have no plans to pursue a career in music, so I don't have to follow a recommended path for learning or anything. I just play whatever I want. If it's too difficult but I really want to keep working, I just keep working on it.

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Re: Why is there so much hate for Evgeny Kissin on youtube?
«Reply #19 on: August 28, 2012, 04:15:27 AM »
That's how I feel about American haters who are American. Like, "All Americans are dumb rednecks, except me. I'm smart."

Well I don't hate America.  I like it here!

And irrespective of whether or not Americans are smart are dumb, I still would want you to think lowly of everyone except me. 

Wanna know why?  Because nobody wants to be thought lowly of!
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Re: Why is there so much hate for Evgeny Kissin on youtube?
«Reply #20 on: August 28, 2012, 04:19:12 AM »

That's the other thing I'd like to add to my comment in the other thread re: career in music with rach_forever. I like that I have no plans to pursue a career in music, so I don't have to follow a recommended path for learning or anything. I just play whatever I want. If it's too difficult but I really want to keep working, I just keep working on it.

Recommended path for learning?  Examples?

Cause I remember my teacher said that when he was a professional pianists, he had to learn pieces that he didn't like.
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Re: Why is there so much hate for Evgeny Kissin on youtube?
«Reply #21 on: August 28, 2012, 04:21:00 AM »
It's settled then!  You were first an amateur pianist, and now you're a PROFESSIONAL pianist!

So where's my cheque(s)?  ::)
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Re: Why is there so much hate for Evgeny Kissin on youtube?
«Reply #22 on: August 28, 2012, 04:23:46 AM »
Recommended path for learning?  Examples?

The works of a certain Johann Sebastian comes to mind in your case.... 
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Re: Why is there so much hate for Evgeny Kissin on youtube?
«Reply #23 on: August 28, 2012, 04:25:14 AM »
That's the other thing I'd like to add to my comment in the other thread re: career in music with rach_forever. I like that I have no plans to pursue a career in music, so I don't have to follow a recommended path for learning or anything. I just play whatever I want. If it's too difficult but I really want to keep working, I just keep working on it.

Of course, if you "make it" in music, you can do all that and get paid for it.
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Re: Why is there so much hate for Evgeny Kissin on youtube?
«Reply #24 on: August 28, 2012, 04:29:46 AM »
Of course, if you "make it" in music, you can do all that and get paid for it.

I'm nowhere near good enough, and even if I were, the odds of "making it" are very very slim.

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Re: Why is there so much hate for Evgeny Kissin on youtube?
«Reply #25 on: August 28, 2012, 04:34:27 AM »
The works of a certain Johann Sebastian comes to mind in your case....  

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Re: Why is there so much hate for Evgeny Kissin on youtube?
«Reply #26 on: August 28, 2012, 04:35:56 AM »
I'm nowhere near good enough, and even if I were, the odds of "making it" are very very slim.

Well now these days, EVERYONE'S a prodigy!  EVERYONE wants to be a pianist!
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Re: Why is there so much hate for Evgeny Kissin on youtube?
«Reply #27 on: August 28, 2012, 04:37:50 AM »
I learn like everything I learn.

Really? I bet you have a list of works you're pestering your teacher to learn. Or planning on pestering your college teacher. Or both.

I also bet another Bach P&F isn't on that list.
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Re: Why is there so much hate for Evgeny Kissin on youtube?
«Reply #28 on: August 28, 2012, 03:26:47 PM »
Really? I bet you have a list of works you're pestering your teacher to learn. Or planning on pestering your college teacher. Or both.

I also bet another Bach P&F isn't on that list.

I'm ashamed to say it but...  There kind of is.

I really meant to say, 'I learn to like everything I learn'.
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Re: Why is there so much hate for Evgeny Kissin on youtube?
«Reply #29 on: August 28, 2012, 11:49:45 PM »
There kind of is.

 :D

Then there's hope for you yet.
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Re: Why is there so much hate for Evgeny Kissin on youtube?
«Reply #30 on: August 29, 2012, 12:46:20 AM »
:D

Then there's hope for you yet.

What I would like to learn over the whole WTC would be the Goldberg variations.  Can I release a CD of that instead of WTC?

No but I kida half asses a P&F in G minor and I wanna fix that up.  There's also another longer one in G minor, but I don't remember from what book.  And then there's E minor, and B minor.  I forget which books those are from as well.  The B minor three voice fugue, not the five voice one.  And the E minor is typically played really fast if that gives you any idea.

But other than that, I'm learning NOTHING ELSE from Bach!
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Re: Why is there so much hate for Evgeny Kissin on youtube?
«Reply #31 on: August 29, 2012, 01:02:13 AM »
What I would like to learn over the whole WTC would be the Goldberg variations.  Can I release a CD of that instead of WTC?

As well as, sure.
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Re: Why is there so much hate for Evgeny Kissin on youtube?
«Reply #32 on: August 29, 2012, 02:23:51 AM »
As well as, sure.

Hey you can't pick both kid!  Only one!  >:(
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Re: Why is there so much hate for Evgeny Kissin on youtube?
«Reply #33 on: August 29, 2012, 02:24:12 AM »
It's called the "tall poppy syndrome". Lang Lang also suffers from this.

People get jealous because of the great success these quality pianists have achieved. Kissin might not be my favorite pianist and might not interpret music the way I like but he plays with great mastery those who deny that honestly know nothing about music. Most deny his brilliance because of jealousy, simple as that.

Put some breasts and long hair and make him a girl, I am sure everyone will love him.
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Re: Why is there so much hate for Evgeny Kissin on youtube?
«Reply #34 on: August 29, 2012, 02:31:57 AM »
Put some breasts and long hair and make him a girl, I am sure everyone will love him.

Somehow, I don't think Evgeny would be any better looking as a girl

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Re: Why is there so much hate for Evgeny Kissin on youtube?
«Reply #35 on: August 29, 2012, 02:34:03 AM »
Somehow, I don't think Evgeny would be any better looking as a girl
Well there are many female pianists out there who wouldn't win or be able to enter a beauty pageant but guys drool over them..... why??? who knows lol.
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Re: Why is there so much hate for Evgeny Kissin on youtube?
«Reply #36 on: August 29, 2012, 03:33:30 AM »
Hey you can't pick both kid!  Only one!  >:(

Can. Did.  :P

And "kid" ? ? ? ?  ::)
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Re: Why is there so much hate for Evgeny Kissin on youtube?
«Reply #37 on: August 29, 2012, 03:39:20 AM »
Well there are many female pianists out there who wouldn't win or be able to enter a beauty pageant but guys drool over them..... why??? who knows lol.
My experience:
Despite the popular belief men actually like (or at least want to ... with) women who are smarter/more accomplished/tougher than they are  :P

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Re: Why is there so much hate for Evgeny Kissin on youtube?
«Reply #39 on: August 29, 2012, 03:49:37 AM »
Google isn't returning any results for "define:..."

Substitute "be".
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Re: Why is there so much hate for Evgeny Kissin on youtube?
«Reply #40 on: August 29, 2012, 03:52:36 AM »
Substitute "be".

like, as friends? I like being friends with smart girls. The stupid ones are, well, stupid

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Re: Why is there so much hate for Evgeny Kissin on youtube?
«Reply #41 on: August 29, 2012, 04:19:27 AM »
like, as friends? I like being friends with smart girls. The stupid ones are, well, stupid

;D

Maybe you are too young to know what to do with them anyway :)

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Re: Why is there so much hate for Evgeny Kissin on youtube?
«Reply #42 on: August 29, 2012, 01:15:33 PM »
Maybe you are too young to know what to do with them anyway :)

Or, I have bigger concerns in life than getting girls, at the moment anyway.

Don't worry, my friends think I'm crazy too.

And I think you'd have trouble finding an 18 year old guy who didn't know what you were supposed to do with them.

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Re: Why is there so much hate for Evgeny Kissin on youtube?
«Reply #43 on: August 29, 2012, 01:18:13 PM »
And I think you'd have trouble finding an 18 year old guy who didn't know what you were supposed to do with them.

Play videogames?

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Re: Why is there so much hate for Evgeny Kissin on youtube?
«Reply #44 on: August 29, 2012, 01:25:45 PM »
Play videogames?


Girls can't play video games, everyone knows that.

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Re: Why is there so much hate for Evgeny Kissin on youtube?
«Reply #45 on: August 29, 2012, 01:29:49 PM »
Girls can't play video games, everyone knows that.

Oh...I didn't know you needed to have your own balls to do that...

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Re: Why is there so much hate for Evgeny Kissin on youtube?
«Reply #46 on: August 29, 2012, 04:16:28 PM »
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Re: Why is there so much hate for Evgeny Kissin on youtube?
«Reply #47 on: August 29, 2012, 05:21:55 PM »
I have always admired Kissin -I think he plays with great sensitivity and applomb -

Lang Lang is very gifted -I have heard fingerwork from him which is second to none -his Presto in the Appassionata, the best I have ever heard -the only thing which distracts from all this is his demeanor at the piano -he seems to put his ego above everything else -I used to really dislike him -but for all his antics I think the classical piano world need characters -especially characters who can communicate and help a younger generation -good luck to the guiy.
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Re: Why is there so much hate for Evgeny Kissin on youtube?
«Reply #48 on: August 29, 2012, 05:39:30 PM »
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