Arpeggios are driving me insane!

[cjcarrington97]

Basically, (and I'm sure that this is a common problem), but I can play/memorise the standard arpeggios fine, however in terms of execution, they can sound a little sloppy and I really do not know how to solve this, and quickly!
Basically, when I go to play the next octave in, lets say C Major, when the thumb needs to go under in the RH, it's like there is an accent on it and even playing up at a quicker speed doesn't seem to hide them.
This same rule applies when the LH needs to descend - the thumb plays out glaringly louder than the rest of the notes.
My piano tutor suggested that I accent 2 and 3 (E, G), when practicing them however that doesn't seem to be enough.

Have any of you got suggestions as to how you dealt with this, or how you would deal with this? 

[nyiregyhazi]

Basically, (and I'm sure that this is a common problem), but I can play/memorise the standard arpeggios fine, however in terms of execution, they can sound a little sloppy and I really do not know how to solve this, and quickly!
Basically, when I go to play the next octave in, lets say C Major, when the thumb needs to go under in the RH, it's like there is an accent on it and even playing up at a quicker speed doesn't seem to hide them.
This same rule applies when the LH needs to descend - the thumb plays out glaringly louder than the rest of the notes.
My piano tutor suggested that I accent 2 and 3 (E, G), when practicing them however that doesn't seem to be enough.

Have any of you got suggestions as to how you dealt with this, or how you would deal with this?  

These exercises ought to make a big difference rapidly.

https://pianoscience.blogspot.co.uk/2011/11/action-and-reaction-in-practise-part-i.html

The paradox is that you need to do MORE with your thumb, not less, before you can fix the issue. 99% of the time the problem is the arm collapsing or pressing into a stiff or dead thumb. Control comes from moving the thumb deliberately and with intent, to open the hand around it. Only once you have that control will you become stable enough to choose to play the thumb at any dynamic you wish.

[gozo490]

I found (thanks to my teacher), that if you try shaping the Arpeggio asceding to loud and decending to soft, you not only cover up the acccidently accented note quite well but also you gain alot of control if I practice in this manner. Once i "perfected" this i then focused on playing them level, stating with Majors and minors that dont include sharps or flats in their arpeggios for simplicity.

the weight of my hand was an issue to, as you cross under i found i shifted the weight of my hand onto my thumb, causing that horrible accented note that does fit in so , i lightened up my wrist a little trying to distribut the wight evenly: a Good Legato will make this easier i found, using cantibile-esque technique to help with legato, which my teacher thankfully pointed out to me.

Hope this helps. it got me there

Kind Regards

[cjcarrington97]

Thank you both for providing me with some advice; I really appreciate it. 
I have been trying to incorporate doing the thumb exercises into well...when I have nothing to do really, I probably concentrate more then as well. I found that doing some of the exercises on the keys on the piano can actually truly reflect how much force you are applying to the thumb as you notice the keys dip a little.
I will continue doing these exercises, as it has already made me think of the movement of the thumb itself rather than its purpose in the arpeggios alone.

As for what your teacher suggested, this is something I am yet to try so I will get back to you on that one! What's strange I find is how I can play scales relatively fine regardless of how many sharps/flats there are in the key signature, however when it comes to arpeggios it seems like there is a missing link. Then again, I suppose my tutor kinda forced me to learn them before even 'needing' them. Something I can look back on and can only thank him for, otherwise I'd probably be struggling with them as well! 

[drazh]

use thumb over technic