Ravel Ondine

[birba]

I don't know what edition you have, but this confusion stems from measure numbers.  I don't have mm numbers.  I counted from the beginning.  Given the first measure is not complete, i counted from the first COMPLETE measure.  Thus the fingering i give for measure 61 is the only really feasible one.  Working back from the glissando which you say are mm. 73-74, the measure you are referring to is the previous one and is the third beat.  Right?  3 5 4 5
                                                               1 2 1 2
Measure 62 is really not that difficult to warrent breaking up the last three thirds.
You know what?  I've been playing this for some 40 years now and this is the first time i've noticed this little oversight of ravel.  You're right.  According to basic musical rules, in bar 72  the d-natural should change back to d-#.  But it is an oversight and that's why you've never heard it that way.  You should write to Durand et fils...
I don't see how your left hand would get in the way of that "scaly thing" going down.  You take the high a with your left hand then alternate g-e-c-a with r.h, l.h, r.h, l.h changing the fingering in the last broken chord to 1-2-3-1-2.

[birba]

3 5 4 5
1 2 1 2

[chopin2015]

I only take the second half of that group with my left hand...lol
I did not notice that it is to change to d sharp. I will try it and see how it sounds though.
for the gliss, I do it with the left hand all the way up (you can use left and right hand cause it is a long gliss), and play the first note of bar 74 with your left hand so that your right hand is set to descend in a convenient place.

[rachmaninoff_forever]

I don't know what edition you have, but this confusion stems from measure numbers.  I don't have mm numbers.  I counted from the beginning.  Given the first measure is not complete, i counted from the first COMPLETE measure.  Thus the fingering i give for measure 61 is the only really feasible one.  Working back from the glissando which you say are mm. 73-74, the measure you are referring to is the previous one and is the third beat.  Right?  3 5 4 5
                                                               1 2 1 2
Measure 62 is really not that difficult to warrent breaking up the last three thirds.
You know what?  I've been playing this for some 40 years now and this is the first time i've noticed this little oversight of ravel.  You're right.  According to basic musical rules, in bar 72  the d-natural should change back to d-#.  But it is an oversight and that's why you've never heard it that way.  You should write to Durand et fils...
I don't see how your left hand would get in the way of that "scaly thing" going down.  You take the high a with your left hand then alternate g-e-c-a with r.h, l.h, r.h, l.h changing the fingering in the last broken chord to 1-2-3-1-2.

Well I can't really see the a natural on the top of the glissando so I'm always missing it.  And then on the scale back down I miss like half the notes.

40 years?!  Dude I thought you were like 14!

Did you/are you gonna post your Ondine?

[rachmaninoff_forever]

The section with the double thirds, how do you play that faster?

I'm thinking of doing them in increments of 4.



So like 4 really fast!
Then a small break...
Then 4 really fast!
Then a small break...
etc...

I only tried it today so I don't know how effective it is.

Anyone else got any ideas?

[chopin2015]

The section with the double thirds, how do you play that faster?

I'm thinking of doing them in increments of 4.



So like 4 really fast!
Then a small break...
Then 4 really fast!
Then a small break...
etc...

I only tried it today so I don't know how effective it is.

Anyone else got any ideas?

Can you just give the bar number plz?

[rachmaninoff_forever]

Can you just give the bar number plz?

Measures 58-62

[chopin2015]

just focus on the scale that is being played and the sound you want. You will only play one of the notes in the third louder than the other. So, decide what you need to bring out more, like you have been doing. It will probably be the top notes in those right hand runs. play those alone. Memorize the sound. Add the other notes. Play faster, bringing out the top notes, and if the other notes aren't even, it won't be too noticeable. 

[werq34ac]

I sort of finished.. if you can call my shiet playing finished. But I have it pretty much memorized. Still haven't bothered with measure numbers yet...