That's some great advice, Awesome. I've actually been having a little trouble during fast passages. Like one of my weaker fingers falling asleep and as result it muddies the sound :/
I highly recommend the B major scale for developing the hands. ....
If this teacher is focusing on fingers, and if all the teacher's advanced students are having the same problems, then wouldn't the B major scale be taught the same way technically? In the start of your post you write about the whole hand being involved - I know what you mean and agree with it. But will it be taught that way? A scale, study, or passage in and of itself will not teach technique. The right actions must also be taught.
Hi thereI'd highly recommend Hanon; no. 1 will do. But! Take the first five notes as a fast quintuplet followed by an accent with the fourth finger and hold. The remaining two notes should be played as fast as the quintuplet. You maintain the two beats to a bar: the thumb and the fourth finger are on the beat. Also, play with the default rhythms but alternate back and forth between the fourth and fifth finger a couple of times i.e. play the fifth finger 3 times. Slow staccato practice that isolates each finger is very good too. But let the second and third fingers help the fourth on the way down by lifting also BUT they must relax at the same time (as though all strapped together). Try to limit it to the third finger...then help the fourth by lifting the fifth finger on the way up. They must must must lift exactly synchronised and relax as the fourth finger strikes.Regarding the thumb, I'd recommend the student holds the third finger down on an E for example and practices passing the thumb from C to F without releasing the E at all. Both the C and the F should be played with a nice tenuto and without dropping the hand at all. The thumb should move quickly. with minimal gap between the C and F and without accent. Hope that helps And I'd like to add that, with due respect, I don't agree with awesom_o that we play with the hand and not the fingers. I believe it very much so comes down to the fine fingerwork; lifting at the first knuckle; not buckling at the last joint; not pressing or squeezing. I'd suggest the weakness comes from lazy knuckles. Of course, the hand is involved, or really, the wrist, but that's not really related to weak fingers...that's chords, certain staccatos, octaves etc. Also B major won't strengthen the fingers: it's too easy. It fits the hand so perfectly that the fingers hardly need to work. I feel that D and B harmonic minor have greater value in terms of strength building. No offence intended!
I'm sorry. It's very easy to disagree with me. Anyone can do that. It only takes seconds!It's much harder to actually play at a higher level than I do. That takes years!
I wouldn't say I am amazing.... What about you? Tell us about how great you are!
Although I was musical as a child, it would be a huge stretch of the imagination to say I was a prodigy.
I think to become really good at something, you have to become an adult prodigy. For my taste, most child prodigies don't really have the X factor that just makes a person really good.I can juggle but I can barely skate and I live in the land of hockey. I think anyone can become an adult prodigy if they really want to.
steven, why don't you post something in the audition room for us all to hear?
dima, aren't you supposed to make a little contribution to the audition room yourself?
I was trying Shostakovich preludes and fugues, and this 7-year old comes up to me and says: "Dima, if you can't play that, then why don't you do some of that other stuff you did the other day? This really sounds like [censored]."
The problem isn't weak fingers, it's weak and underdeveloped hands. We play with the hand, not the fingers.
3) I've had a lot of teachers in my lifetime and I can safely say that level of playing of a piano teacher has no guaranteed correlation to their ability to diagnose and teach technique. In fact, the opposite is possibly more likely to be true. Why? Because it's likely a truly advanced pianist developed their technique when they were young children. By the time they reach adulthood they very well may forget or discount the work it took to develop their fingers. They also won't know what it feels like for a student who has not had proper early training to play. Additionally, the norm for many advanced teachers is to focus on interpretation and spot-technical problems, not diagnosing and re-building, if necessary, one's basic technique. (not one of the many teachers I've studied with ever bothered to test the power and independence of each of my fingers - alarm - alarm - alarm....). Rebuilding a technique may, in fact, require abandoning repertoire for extended time - perhaps even years. Not many advanced teachers are likely to want to do that.
Huh? What the heck does that mean? When you play a series of 16th notes do you flop your whole hand from one note to the next in super-rapid succession?
Not to put words in awesomes mouth but I think his point is there are no muscles in the fingers, and the hand with it's muscles must be developed in the correct way. These muscles control the fingers. Correct me if I'm wrong.Nick
Anyway, I'm sorry to criticize something you've written - I have great respect for your talent and technical ability - but I would just caution you not to make such broad statements as "we play the piano not with our fingers, but with our hands." It's not so black and white. Both must be mastered to play advanced repertoire, as I think you'll agree. Don't forget that after the ABC exercises you shared with me, the next step was a year, if not two, of Philip finger independence exercises! :-)
Just to add my own thoughts to this thread... @ awesome - It is very clear to see that you are very well practised and have mastered the whole problem of weak fingers and obviously have your own methods which have worked for you and I respect that. For me personally, however, I'm not certain that the B major scale would help to develop strength, evenness and flow in the fingers if only because the position of the black keys falls very easily under the natural shape of the hand. In other words, for me, it is one of the easier scales to practise and doesn't especially help weaker fingers.
"Finger-strength", given that there are no muscles in the fingers, is a dubious notion. Finger independence is what most people are really lacking!
After all the work I've done, I can't escape the conclusion that not all that was missed in one's youth can be made up for in middle age.
Coordination of the hands is also extremely important in playing the piano! /quote]How about this idea: coordination of each finger! The ability to make sure when one finger is pressing the key, the prior finger releases at the precise time. This I think takes careful listening, observing and coordination. Since revamping my technique I found I was missing this, so slowing down much until mastered at one speed before moving up is essential. Don't you think the raised finger people when realizing this problem solved it by just raising the fingers? The idea being that one cannot play clearly, distinctly without. Nick
How about this idea: coordination of each finger! The ability to make sure when one finger is pressing the key, the prior finger releases at the precise time. This I think takes careful listening, observing and coordination. Nick
This is precisely the type of coordination that is developed through the ABC exercises. It's completely possible to play clearly and distinctly without raising the fingers. Listen to Glenn Gould! Nobody has ever played contrapuntal music as clearly and distinctly as he was able to!
I am observing in my own practice that lack of coordination has more to do with weakness. Slowing down to develop those small muscles seems to be the way.
Sounds good to me! The ABC's are a highly demanding set of exercises designed to challenge and improve the connection between the brain and the fingers.
I did a search with others asking about them, no link yet? Supposed to be a video?Just playing correctly and listening is a challenge that I think improves the connection between the brain and fingers. I open for more info though.