Preludes et Harmonies poetiques et religieuses s171d

[bobofreaker]

is it possible to have Preludes et Harmonies poetiques et religieuses s171d sheet music ? i m not sure if they were even published so far.. thx for answering me

[j_menz]

I don't believe it has been published. There are, I think, only two recordings of it - one by Leslie Howard and one by Albert Brusse.  I believe both were off the manuscript. This is Sketchbook N5 in the Goethe- und Schiller-Archiv in Weimar.

You might contact the Archiv to see if a copy could be made available to you.

Alternatively, you could contact the Liszt Society to see if they have a copy or are intending to publish it.

Or you could contact Leslie Howard or Albert Brusse directly for assistance.

EDIT: You might also like to see if this publication is what you are after. It's not exactly clear.

[bobofreaker]

thx for the answer, i ve found that albert brussee has published a sheet music called HARMONIES POÉTIQUES ET RELIGIEUSES EARLY VERSIONS (1833-1846).
Unfortunetly for me, it misses a sheet for my favourite piece,a piece called 'Prelude'. Thats the first one (untitled) on the leslie howard's new discoveries2 and the 3rd one on a albert brusse's cd HARMONIES POÉTIQUES ET RELIGIEUSES EARLY VERSIONS (1833-1846).
...hope anyone can help me here

[lisztrachmaninovfan]

is it possible to have Preludes et Harmonies poetiques et religieuses s171d sheet music ? i m not sure if they were even published so far.. thx for answering me

Actually, the whole set has been published by Edito Musica Budapest in a collection entitled, "Harmonies poétiques et religieuses - Earlier versions, Suppl. 6", from December 2009. While I took one of my usual visits to Hungary, I was lucky enough to find a copy of this back when it first came out at the Rózsavölgyi music store in Budapest.

Unfortunately, I can't photocopy it to you because it's still copyrighted (and probably will be for decades to come). However, I advise you to check kotta.info and order a copy yourself! Even though it's costs a lot money, it's definitely worth it.  

Good luck,
Lisztrachmaninovfan

Note: Leslie Howard completed several of the pieces himself, as Liszt left many of them incomplete. If you have is CD, you should follow his liner notes if you plan on playing a legitamate realization of these pieces, unless if you feel like completing some of them yourself. Even though the EMB publication has several pages of notes on the pieces (in German, Hungarian, and English), a few of their facts are incorrect (such as the Prose des Morts being incomplete, when really it's just an insert to the first version of the piece).

[bobofreaker]

Well, lucky me.. i wrote to Leslie Howard and he send me those files   

[ezyracer]

Hello,   Does anyone know which pieces Leslie Howard completed or edited  on his "New Liszt Discoveries #2" CD?  There are several pieces I would like to learn, but before spending the $120 to buy the music, I want to make sure that what I hear on the CD is the printed music. 

I am particularly interested in the M.K. piece, which is quite different from the Albert Brussee version(s) for which I have the sheet music.  Looks like in the Brussee music,  M.K. was completed 
by a student. 

Any help or insights would be great before I take the $120 plunge.   

Thanks for your help.

EzyRacer

[promusician]

Hello,   Does anyone know which pieces Leslie Howard completed or edited  on his "New Liszt Discoveries #2" CD?  There are several pieces I would like to learn, but before spending the $120 to buy the music, I want to make sure that what I hear on the CD is the printed music. 

I am particularly interested in the M.K. piece, which is quite different from the Albert Brussee version(s) for which I have the sheet music.  Looks like in the Brussee music,  M.K. was completed 
by a student. 

Any help or insights would be great before I take the $120 plunge.   

Thanks for your help.

EzyRacer

You can try to ask Leslie Howard for the scores, they will definitely match the ones on the cd.

[nyiregyhazi]

Actually, the whole set has been published by Edito Musica Budapest in a collection entitled, "Harmonies poétiques et religieuses - Earlier versions, Suppl. 6", from December 2009. While I took one of my usual visits to Hungary, I was lucky enough to find a copy of this back when it first came out at the Rózsavölgyi music store in Budapest.

Unfortunately, I can't photocopy it to you because it's still copyrighted (and probably will be for decades to come). However, I advise you to check kotta.info and order a copy yourself! Even though it's costs a lot money, it's definitely worth it.  

Which country are you in? Copyright of an edition does not exist in most. The work itself is certainly not in copyright.

[j_menz]

Which country are you in? Copyright of an edition does not exist in most. The work itself is certainly not in copyright.

The original certainly isn't, but my understanding is that it isn't a straight copy of the work in Liszt's notebook, but rather a "completed by" version. Copyright does exist in the completion.

[ezyracer]

    Hello, thanks for the suggestion to write to Dr. Leslie Howard.  Within 5 hours he sent me the entire score of the N5 Tasso Sketches as he performed on his Discover #2 CD.   For a man with his accomplishments, his quick response, generosity and expressed desire to play again in the US was unexpected.  I am more of fan then ever.   

Regards

Curt aka EzyRacer

P.S. he did say that the scores he sent me were for my eyes only, I presume he didn't mean for my ears only. 

[lisztrachmaninovfan]

Which country are you in? Copyright of an edition does not exist in most. The work itself is certainly not in copyright.

It is certainly in copyright, as it is a urtext with scholarly notes. There are also tons of performance notes as well...

[nyiregyhazi]

It is certainly in copyright, as it is a urtext with scholarly notes. There are also tons of performance notes as well...

Not in Britain. Editions are not copyrightable, only transcriptions that contain original creative work. Any written text can be copyrighted but not the score itself- unless there's originally added completion. I don't know if Jmenz was just speculating on that or if there definitely is a completion. Even if so, only passages with creative input can be copyrighted. Liszt himself cannot be copyrighted, regardless of editing work.

EDIT- apologies, I looked this up and I think I misunderstood what I heard before. It seems that it's just the performance rights cannot be copyrighted in relation to the edition, but the score itself has 25 years.

[j_menz]

I don't know if Jmenz was just speculating on that or if there definitely is a completion.

Definitely would be putting it too strongly. The preliminary research I did indicated that the notebook version was needing of some work, though the extent of that was not clear.  The line between a full completion and a bit of what might be called heavy editorial work is an interesting one. It seems a fairly blurry continuum, whereas the copyright implications are rather dramatic.  I'm not sure that it has ever actually come up before a court, though.