the Chinese and Korean "invasion"
There are some situations that result. You get a male piano professor surrounded with a studio of all female, Asian, non-English speaking students.
I think this is mostly the result of Soviet-type schooling in Asia with emphasis on technical perfection. The prestigious schools in the West select people they can work with and have no need for "quasi-musical" philosophers without the required technical foundation.
That's what I've seen everywhere I've been. Different cultures. There is the scary element of just following directions and having technique but lacking something else.... Creativity? Free-thinking? Something like that. Passion.
From what I understand foreign students tend to pay full price or international prices. U.S. students at U.S. schools have a discounted rate or get more scholarships. More foreign students? Of course -- They're paying the bills. Bad economy... Take on more foreign students to pay for everything.
And then you get profs and students in other areas getting ticked off because none of the accompanists can speak English. "Crescendo! Put a crescendo there! Get louder? Do you understand? And we said we're meeting at 1pm. Does that make sense? 1pm? All she does is smile and nod...."
No, this is not correct. There is no emphasis on technical perfection, nor is there some Soviet-type schooling (piano instruction is NOT institutionalized), but there is an emphasis on speed and correct notes during an audition that lasts less than two minutes to a required etude.
Prior to being accepted to a university there is no piano syllabus that all teachers follow. Also, we aren't talking about some conservatory in China. We're talking about US music schools and how they select the best talent and these people tend to come from asian countries.
What's the Chinese diploma equal to in the U.S.? A bachelor degree or more like a music conservatory high school degree?
From what I understand foreign students tend to pay full price or international prices. U.S. students at U.S. schools have a discounted rate or get more scholarships. More foreign students? Of course -- They're paying the bills. Bad economy... Take on more foreign students to pay for everything.There are some situations that result. You get a male piano professor surrounded with a studio of all female, Asian, non-English speaking students. It just looks a little weird. "Why does professor So-and-So only have female Asian students?" "How did he even recruit them? He doesn't leave the country?"And then you get profs and students in other areas getting ticked off because none of the accompanists can speak English. "Crescendo! Put a crescendo there! Get louder? Do you understand? And we said we're meeting at 1pm. Does that make sense? 1pm? All she does is smile and nod...."
What most Westerners do not understand is the cultural difference. Most Westerners view talent as innate; you are born talented or you're not. Eastern cultures view talent as malleable; the more you work at it, the better you become. As a result, people who grow up in such cultures know and understand that if they want to succeed, they have to work twice as hard as the next person.According to my Korean friend, the pianists in Korea are crazy. They will attach lead weights to their fingers to increase the difficulty or make the keys heavier. Some will practice until their fingers bleed. All this just for a two-minute audition. They know that one mistake is an automatic fail and they'll be asked to leave the audition the moment that occurs. The stakes are high so they do what they have to to not fail.
In the field of music education, the Chinese have imported to their faculties so many European and American piano pedagogues that I can not imagine how they would tolerate "Soviet-type schooling".
For those who would prefer some actual research, rather than hearsay and speculation, regarding piano education in China, you may find this article (pdf) illuminating.
I linked that document already in Reply # 7, but nobody here seems to be interested enough to read it.
Therefore there is some other motivation at work. What is it ?
Maybe you should ask yourself instead why US people start becoming this crappy at playing the piano
But if all these Asian people have lots of money, why do they bother at all ?... I don't have much money, but you know what I mean. What drives them do you think ? Why would anyone choose such a desperate battle for breath over a secure life of quiet artistic creation ? It can't be money if they already have enough, and they must realise fame could only settle on a very few. Therefore there is some other motivation at work. What is it ?
Then there is the question of why they consider the immense artistic potential of their own culture, thousands of years in the formation, less worthy, and bend over backwards for two hundred years of European culture.
I think your idea of "Soviet-type schooling" is negative, but it was actually an IDEAL system to filter out "talent" that, notwithstanding the rigid norms for all at the base, emphasized individuality in the "privileged" performers. The "Soviet" thing is the system of competitions and preliminary rounds (something like 10 I believe) you have to go through before you finally get accepted in Beijing. The standards are well-known to everybody and you simply do what's necessary to get there. Once again: the really huge number of potential candidates in the process is guarantee that only the best survive.
ok, Emill, let me say this as I have gone thru the similar cultural as most Asian did. The social pressure of competition is high especially among the parents, how proud they wanted their kids to be ahead of each other. When I was 4 I can already remember that piano sound is every way around my neigbourhood---first thing in the morning before the school -6.30am. Whereas in Australia you would not allowed to that, your neigbour will knock on your door or complain at city council for noise pollution . At night, after school you hear the same noise every where, but no one seems to complain. If you dnt play piano, you have no social status so as loose face in front of your relatives/friends. Sorry to say, but tis is the facts. This applies to academic studies too- tiger parents. This can be good and bad, after all, I think its GOOD.
So, this kind of practice is different to Western society, except Russia. ..So if just by looking at the probability wise, more people participate in piano practice = more chances being selected. I suppose, if you look at sports, why black people are good at boxing and running short springs/long. But not much in Swimming. Once this was explained by scientist that a particular black race had a thicker skull and higher bone density. Thereofre better for heavy sports. Whereas in swimming you prefer a lighter bone density to muscle ratio. . In this case, white race and Asian race just stuck in right in between. So as table tennis...etc.anyway, by all means no racist here, this is my observations, slap me if you disagree with me.
ME THINKS TOO it is GOOD!!
Do you really ? You surprise me. I think it a perfectly hideous way to bring a child up. Happiness, moderation, creativity, contemplation, kindness, social interaction......I can think of a whole heap of things more important than achievement and competition. I concede it is becoming the way of the world, but I do not have to embrace it. Had my parents been like that I would have used a blunt instrument on them and rightly so.
In other words, you must focus on forming relationships with family, friends, and community. Once that is achieved, happiness tends to results. Happiness is a symptom, not a cause to achieve it's own end.
But back to music. Why is playing all that old-fashioned European music so appealing to so many Asians ? I still can't quite see that.
Why not listen to what lang lang sincerely has to say about Asian culturing and his reasons for choosing european music.
Multiple choice (pick what you like best as an answer, either or both):A) genuine interest in ANYTHING from the West that has good quality, and a strong wish to absorb it (for their culture, it is most likely not "old-fashioned" at all!);B) a ticket to the Promised Land if you are really good at it.
By the way, from the musical point of view: can you imagine how exciting the tensions of minor and major sound (in the sense of "are perceived") in a culture that has been listening to pentatonics only (no half-tone intervals present) for ages and ages? From what I hear, the experience is so "new" and "exotic", that many Asian pianists really don't know what to do with it.
@ tedAnd here is a research document that tells us how relatively "new" the piano and the Western music written for the instrument are in Chinese society: The Development of Chinese Piano Music
In the studio class of Enzo, there are 7 Chinese, 5 Koreans, 1 Japanese, 1 British, 2 Russians, and my son a Filipino.
x.x.x.x.. In other words, most Chinese (and I guess Asian) pianists that enter prestigious US music schools already have a diploma from their own best conservatories at home.P.S.: They're also very large in number so in the selection process described in the document I linked to only the best survive, who then enter US conservatories and easily outdo the local candidates in virtually every respect. "Resistance is futile." (c)
I'm 1/8th Filipino!!!
Hello Ted,If I impressed on you that we brought up Enzo in such an environment, the answer is NO.
We were strict about certain rules ... no TV or computer games or FB etc during weekdays,
must be up to date with homework, absolutely no truancy, etc. etc. if they break those no more need for explanation ... you will be disciplined including a good spanking if needed! We were raised that way and so were they.This brand of discipline may not conform to the no spanking policy ... explain every time the rationale for the punishment .... be forgiving ... respect opinions of the child ... etc. etc.etc.
I am not sure it's a good thing really, but spanking or any kind of corporal punishment is illegal in many western countries these days, even inside a family setting.
@ tedBy the way, from the musical point of view: can you imagine how exciting the tensions of minor and major sound (in the sense of "are perceived") in a culture that has been listening to pentatonics only (no half-tone intervals present) for ages and ages? From what I hear, the experience is so "new" and "exotic", that many Asian pianists really don't know what to do with it.
The reason for this is because music mimics speech.
American English speakers
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