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Topic: section a ending in the dominant key, section b starting in original key ?  (Read 1089 times)

Offline bonnerik

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is this the case of the courante de menuetto on page 153 in this pdf ?
https://petrucci.mus.auth.gr/imglnks/usimg/b/b0/IMSLP18735-PMLP44355-HG_Band_2.pdf

if so, what would you call the form ?

thanks in advance

Offline nystul

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Hopefully I am looking at the same movement you are asking about.  The first movement of No. 7 right?  I think I would call this rounded binary form.  I believe you are right about the first section ending in the dominant and the second section starting in the tonic.  Normally we might expect the second section to continue in the dominant and then modulate back to the tonic.  Instead he appears to go through a series of harmonic changes and then brings back the tonic at the end.

Anyways, form is largely about thematic content.  Here the themes seem relatively similar throughout.  The second section is a bit different and does not repeat the entire first section.  However, at the end we do have a few measures from the end of the first section, which are now repeated but instead of being in the dominant here they are in the tonic.  I think that makes it rounded binary form.

In sonata form, there should be more contrast between the themes, and the movement should end with the first section being repeated entirely, except the second theme now being in the tonic.  So those kind of ideas are here but it's not that elaborate.

Maybe we can see some idea of how late baroque music starts to evolve into classical harmonic ideas.

Offline stevenarmstrong

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rounded continuous binary for sure....it's about cadences not keys.
Debussy Preludes 1:4, 2:9.
Beethoven Op. 22
Medtner Op. 5
Shchedrin Basso Ostinato
Silvestrov Op. 2
 

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