Beethoven 1 vs Schumann

[outin]

You say, that you 'find Mozart's music annoying...' etc. Who can object to that? A Mozart lover might try to argue with you, but you've presented your views as what they are, your views. Subjective opinions, allowing that others, for very good reasons, might disagree. You aren't trying to ram your opinion down other's throats,

I certainly would if I thought it would be of any consequence...I just don't have Thals optimistic nature...or his elaborate language skills...

and trying to dress up your opinion as fact.

It IS a fact, most people are just too blind to see it 

[eusebius12]

Strictly following the rules of analogical reasoning without labeling the quality of this particular analogy itself:

You said:
X (the musicians in your list) gravitate towards Y (Schumann)

Thal said:
Flies rather gravitate towards crap.
 
If X gravitate towards Y, and Y equals "crap", then X must be "flies"; "super-flies".

You are correct of course

P.S.: The deeper philosophy behind Thal's remark is NOT to compare your list of musicians to "flies". "To each his own"; that's how I interpret his wording.

Here your views and mine diverge...

[j_menz]

Brahms.... rather gravitated towards Schumann.

True, but in his case the Schumann in question was Clara moreso than Bobby.

[eusebius12]

True, but in his case the Schumann in question was Clara moreso than Bobby.

Are you suggesting Brahms had more affinity to, or admiration for, Clara's compositions than Robert's? Brahms was a close friend of Robert, indeed he considered Robert his closest friend for the years they knew each other. An interesting thing is how often thematic and stylistic references to Schumann pop up in the works of Brahms (and I'm not one to exaggerate the similarities between the 2 overall, there are similarities but the differences really are more striking than the commonalities). Not many musicologists (who can read music but can't hear it?) that I've read seem to have recognized most of them, viz. the last ballade (a meditation on Im leuchtenden sommermorgen), the 4th symphony (1st movement towards the end clearly quotes from the piano concerto, the 2nd movement is a Schumannesque Nachtstuck, and the 3rd a Schumannesque scherzo), and the op.116 piano pieces and the 1st rhapsody mirror the mood and figuration of Kreisleriana. Also, Brahms pet name for Schumann was Domini (The Lord). Perhaps you could say there was some affinity there.

[j_menz]

Are you suggesting Brahms had more affinity to, or admiration for, Clara's compositions than Robert's?

Compositions? No.

[mjames]

brahms was so pretty

out of all the women in Germany

y clara

y

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She was like, 20 years older.


Composers, shaking my head