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Offline stylerpiano

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Strange Dream - A major
on: August 31, 2014, 12:09:46 PM


This is my 5. self composed piano piece.

This piece is a higher level than my other pieces. I will keep up the work and try to write better and better piano pieces in the future :)

I have been playing piano for 7 months now.

I need for advice, that how can I improve my songs.

Please help me to become better in composing  and playing on piano.

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Re: Strange Dream - A major
Reply #1 on: August 31, 2014, 04:48:57 PM
Wow, weird. I always dream in G sharp minor ;D
Jk

Nobody here, or anywhere in whole space and time, considering the nature of the art, especially me :D, is an authority on composition. It's only about what you feel and like.

Anyway.

You can always learn harmony and counterpoint if you wish to improve.

The main issue here is that you seem to have improvised and transcribed with little revision, and don't have a clear structure in your mind.
I'm the kind of a composer that likes to spend weeks on a single measure and make charts about the form, but I have very little musical material I see worth using, so I don't drown in an ocean of possibilities.

The first few notes of the main melody is good enough to do something interesting with, but the way it is developed is kinda kitsch, esp. the way it is flourished. I would write it in an elongated form as simple as possible with a straightforward accompaniment in a really slow fashion first, then repeat it with more complexity, i.e. a counter-melody. You just jump right in and get to the climax in thirty seconds. I also recommend you to start with a short introduction.
(Chopin Op. 27-1 is a nice example of what I'm trying to say in this pharagraph.)

If the climactic section at 0:26 hadn't been repeated, especially in the exact same way, that many times, it would be much more effective. I actually think the section itself is brilliant. It's just lacks a good build-up. Since it is stated once again in the end, I think it's better to not waste the momentum. A sweeter risoluto section after the second statement is good though.
(Rachmaninoff Piano Sonata 2, the climax in the first movement.)

More diversity in the accompaniment would be nice. I'd personally like to see the wide figure at 1:00 more. You could also add contrapuntal elements a la Chopin.

And about your playing: Only more dynamic contrast!

I hope I could help.

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Re: Strange Dream - A major
Reply #2 on: August 31, 2014, 04:58:15 PM
Wow!

Thanks a lot for your analysis on my new piece. I'm too beginner to compose, and to play on piano too at the moment , but I will learn to compose well in the future, I will learn it in a conservatory in the next few years.

You're right, it was an improvisation first, and after I transcripted it. But I havent got the skill to improve it effectively.


I understand what your write, and I will keep your words in my mind!

Thanks!

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Re: Strange Dream - A major
Reply #3 on: August 31, 2014, 08:57:04 PM
It sounds beautiful - much better than anything I ever composed after playing a mere 7 months! I agree with coda_colossales feedback. You should look into structure some more, maybe try composing a few things that strictly follow a few different forms to see how they work.

As for the playing I think you sit too high. I'd recommend you get a chair low enough to make your forearm level with the ground. If you put your hand on the keys like you are about to play and make sure your arm is completely loose and supple, shoulders relaxed, the elbow should be hanging at the same height as the white keys, or slightly below.

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Re: Strange Dream - A major
Reply #4 on: August 31, 2014, 09:57:41 PM
I shall express a contrasting point of view, not from a desire to argue or debate, but to reinforce the truth that artistic creation is completely free. Structure is an option like any other property of music, and is neither necessary nor sufficient. Notation is inessential in our modern era of recording equipment. Improvisation can actually be the end product, and not just a means to an end or a type of poor man's composition. The only person really able to judge your music is you. Does it say what you wanted to say ? Does it delight ? Does it surprise ? Is it beautiful to you ? Does it move you at a deep level ? Does it make you happy in a lasting way ? Experts, teachers and conservatories cannot help you much with these considerations. They can teach you many objective techniques, but whether these are germane to your deeper purpose is anybody's guess.

Therefore I say continue the habit of improvisation and let every single idea out. If something sounds good to you then it is good. Create to please yourself and no one else. Disregard all "ought tos", "shoulds" and magisteria of the past. "Do what thou wilt shall be the whole of the law."

I found myself seeking a bit more rhythm and phrase in this particular piece, but that is just me, and classical music produces the same effect.
"Mistakes are the portals of discovery." - James Joyce

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Re: Strange Dream - A major
Reply #5 on: September 01, 2014, 05:29:05 AM
It sounds beautiful - much better than anything I ever composed after playing a mere 7 months! I agree with coda_colossales feedback. You should look into structure some more, maybe try composing a few things that strictly follow a few different forms to see how they work.

As for the playing I think you sit too high. I'd recommend you get a chair low enough to make your forearm level with the ground. If you put your hand on the keys like you are about to play and make sure your arm is completely loose and supple, shoulders relaxed, the elbow should be hanging at the same height as the white keys, or slightly below.

Thanks for your reply.
"As for the playing I think you sit too high. " - Then I will set my chair's level again. In my previous videos, others suggested that increase my chair's level because I sit too low :)))  But ok, I will find the good position.

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Re: Strange Dream - A major
Reply #6 on: September 01, 2014, 05:31:41 AM
I shall express a contrasting point of view, not from a desire to argue or debate, but to reinforce the truth that artistic creation is completely free. Structure is an option like any other property of music, and is neither necessary nor sufficient. Notation is inessential in our modern era of recording equipment. Improvisation can actually be the end product, and not just a means to an end or a type of poor man's composition. The only person really able to judge your music is you. Does it say what you wanted to say ? Does it delight ? Does it surprise ? Is it beautiful to you ? Does it move you at a deep level ? Does it make you happy in a lasting way ? Experts, teachers and conservatories cannot help you much with these considerations. They can teach you many objective techniques, but whether these are germane to your deeper purpose is anybody's guess.

Therefore I say continue the habit of improvisation and let every single idea out. If something sounds good to you then it is good. Create to please yourself and no one else. Disregard all "ought tos", "shoulds" and magisteria of the past. "Do what thou wilt shall be the whole of the law."

I found myself seeking a bit more rhythm and phrase in this particular piece, but that is just me, and classical music produces the same effect.

Thank you!

Fortunately it's not hard for me to find a good melody (at least for today), because during improvisation they just born like the water from a spring  :) :)
"conservatories cannot help you much with these considerations. They can teach you many objective techniques" - Yes, this is the thing I expect, because I have lots of ideas, but my current technique is limited, so it will be better later I hope.

What is the point after a piece is classical? Or is it a deeper question?  :)  I found melodies what sounds classical but I can't define the concept of a classical music. I didn't play classical piece yet just modenr pieces just like ('River flows in you','Ballade pour Adeline','Romance from Yhuki Kuramoto') and now Pirates of the Carrebean He's a pirate from Kyle Landry, but I'm interrested in classical music too. I'm too young in piano music and I didnt decide it that what is my real style, but my all 5 own piece is Romantic piece, its clear.

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Re: Strange Dream - A major
Reply #7 on: September 01, 2014, 09:11:44 AM
What is the point after a piece is classical? Or is it a deeper question?  :)  I found melodies what sounds classical but I can't define the concept of a classical music. I didn't play classical piece yet just modenr pieces just like ('River flows in you','Ballade pour Adeline','Romance from Yhuki Kuramoto') and now Pirates of the Carrebean He's a pirate from Kyle Landry, but I'm interrested in classical music too. I'm too young in piano music and I didnt decide it that what is my real style, but my all 5 own piece is Romantic piece, its clear.

At your age, I would listen to and study everything and reject as little as possible; there is no need to limit yourself to any genre. Let your own voice find itself naturally over time. Mine did not come upon me until my late fifties. Regardless of style, keep improvising; its rewards in later life are huge.
"Mistakes are the portals of discovery." - James Joyce

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Re: Strange Dream - A major
Reply #8 on: September 03, 2014, 06:08:50 AM
At your age, I would listen to and study everything and reject as little as possible; there is no need to limit yourself to any genre. Let your own voice find itself naturally over time. Mine did not come upon me until my late fifties. Regardless of style, keep improvising; its rewards in later life are huge.


Yes, at the moment I like every kind of piano music except Jazz. At conservatoire I must learn classical piece too, and I planning to learn Beethoven "Pathetique" 2nd movement for first, but I finish the Pirates of the Carrebean - He's a pirate (Kyle Landry's arrangement) first. :)

At the moment, it's look like, that my style will be modern romantic , because all of my self composed piece was romantic. ( https://soundcloud.com/l-szl-leber/sets/piano-pieces-from-l-szl-leber )
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