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Offline keypeg

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Re: Afraid of my teacher, but not sure what I can do.
Reply #50 on: September 30, 2014, 09:34:42 AM
Louispodesta, thanks.

For the item at hand, I will consider responding once the response is to what I said, not what was put into my words, or if there is an attempt to understand.

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Re: Afraid of my teacher, but not sure what I can do.
Reply #51 on: September 30, 2014, 10:59:51 AM
Louispodesta, thanks.

For the item at hand, I will consider responding once the response is to what I said, not what was put into my words, or if there is an attempt to understand.

Nothing was put into your words, which I repeat were:

"I'm not adept at the law.  However it is wrong when there is an imbalance of power, which is definitely so if one is a teacher and the other is a student."

That was made in response to my words:

"It's not a crime to make an advance on a grown adult."

In fact, to add further context- the post you replied directly to also involved my stating I had once slept with an adult private student. You replied with a statement of universal moral judgement. There is no possible way to read that statement (either on its own merits or in context) as doing anything other than tarring each and any example with a single brush.

Sorry, but we have to accept responsibility for what we write. You can't blame others for "misunderstanding" a concrete statement at face value, rather than assuming it might mean something radically different to what it actually states on each and every level. If you don't believe in passing simplistic universal rules for moral judgement (that involve no consideration of individual cases on their own merits) it's your responsibility not to use words that directly do so.

The reason these differentiations matter is because someone like Leon Fleisher almost certainly does not deserve to be tarred by the same brush as a genuine sex criminal. Louis brought him up as an example recently- forgetting that (according to wording of what he wrote in his original post), Fleisher would supposedly be a sex criminal in Texas. Circumstances matter and we should not use words that suggest otherwise, or which places perfectly reasonable behaviour between consenting adults in a single category alongside sexual abuse.

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Re: Afraid of my teacher, but not sure what I can do.
Reply #52 on: September 30, 2014, 12:12:03 PM
Read this several times, but still do not understand a word  :(

That's because you and I understand that there is no such thing as Qi or ch'i, it is just a metaphor.

Tim

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Re: Afraid of my teacher, but not sure what I can do.
Reply #53 on: September 30, 2014, 12:31:03 PM
That's because you and I understand that there is no such thing as Qi or ch'i, it is just a metaphor.


OK everyone's free to believe in what they believe in. I Just hope people don't secretly read the tai chi qi gong books at home and invent something like Alexander technique or Alan Frasee institute. It is said clearly that if you don't follow the Qi instruction with a proper teacher you will end up falling to the evil side (have hallucination or become sexualy deprived)

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Re: Afraid of my teacher, but not sure what I can do.
Reply #54 on: September 30, 2014, 12:46:47 PM
That's because you and I understand that there is no such thing as Qi or ch'i, it is just a metaphor.

Tim, I usually agree with most of what you say, but I'm afraid that here, you are drawing a premature conclusion. One cannot simply state that something doesn't exist if one doesn't understand what it is. QI is real for those who understand it and it's Quite Interesting when you start investigating it. Physically weak kung fu fighters, for example, break bricks with that generated energy without hurting themselves, and there are also other aspects of both physical and psychological health related to that "life force":
https://www.huffingtonpost.com/arthur-rosenfeld/what-is-qi_b_743986.html

[Sorry if this is too much off-topic.]
No amount of how-to information is going to work if you have the wrong mindset, the wrong guiding philosophies. Avoid losers like the plague, and gather with and learn from winners only.

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Re: Afraid of my teacher, but not sure what I can do.
Reply #55 on: September 30, 2014, 03:30:31 PM
Quote from: dima_76557link=topic=56209.msg607007#msg607007 date=1412081207
QI is real for those who understand it and it's Quite Interesting when you start investigating it. Physically weak kung fu fighters, for example, break bricks with that generated energy without hurting themselves, and there are also other aspects of both physical and psychological health related to that "life force":


Nah.  It's BS.  Well, not quite.  As a metaphor for relaxed unconscious coordination of biomechanically sound movements, it is highly effective.  Weak people exert force through precise timing and precise alignments that are hard to master consciously.  Strong people can just muscle through them.  Michelle Wie at 14 could drive a golf ball farther than most strong adult males.  She used only the muscle power available to her teenage frame, but she wasted none of it in mistimed or misaligned motions.   

But as an actual force, beyond that generated through skeletal muscles, no, sorry.  Doesn't exist.

Despite Yellow Bamboo and Benny Hinn. 
Tim

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Re: Afraid of my teacher, but not sure what I can do.
Reply #56 on: September 30, 2014, 05:00:44 PM
Nah.  It's BS.  Well, not quite.  As a metaphor for relaxed unconscious coordination of biomechanically sound movements, it is highly effective.  Weak people exert force through precise timing and precise alignments that are hard to master consciously.  Strong people can just muscle through them.  Michelle Wie at 14 could drive a golf ball farther than most strong adult males.  She used only the muscle power available to her teenage frame, but she wasted none of it in mistimed or misaligned motions.   

But as an actual force, beyond that generated through skeletal muscles, no, sorry.  Doesn't exist.

Despite Yellow Bamboo and Benny Hinn. 
Qi is bullshit as metaphysical world is bullshit. I think therefore I exist, but I dont think doesn't mean I dont exist, quite amazing isn't it ;)

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Re: Afraid of my teacher, but not sure what I can do.
Reply #57 on: September 30, 2014, 05:41:22 PM
As a metaphor for relaxed unconscious coordination of biomechanically sound movements, it is highly effective.

You have probably never (accidentally) been kicked or beaten by an infant or a toddler with their "dragon tail sweep"... Man, that hurts! Real Qi at work... ;D
No amount of how-to information is going to work if you have the wrong mindset, the wrong guiding philosophies. Avoid losers like the plague, and gather with and learn from winners only.

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Re: Afraid of my teacher, but not sure what I can do.
Reply #58 on: September 30, 2014, 07:37:38 PM
When my oldest was a toddler (she's 23 now) I was carrying her and the tv was on to the news channel.  She was 1 or so, definitely less than 2 because we moved when she was 1 1/2. 

Mike Tyson was in trouble again, and the tv news was playing some clips of him knocking people out.  It caught her attention.  She looked intently at the picture, then she got this puzzled look while she thought about it, then she turned, looked at me, and dropped an absolutely perfect straight punch right on the point of my chin.  I was very impressed.  That was pure "inner game" results oriented, not analytical method oriented the way I function. 
Tim

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Re: Afraid of my teacher, but not sure what I can do.
Reply #59 on: September 30, 2014, 08:13:24 PM
Quote from: dima_76557link=topic=56209.msg607007#msg607007 date=1412081207
Tim, I usually agree with most of what you say, but I'm afraid that here, you are drawing a premature conclusion. One cannot simply state that something doesn't exist if one doesn't understand what it is. QI is real for those who understand it and it's Quite Interesting when you start investigating it. Physically weak kung fu fighters, for example, break bricks with that generated energy without hurting themselves, and there are also other aspects of both physical and psychological health related to that "life force":
https://www.huffingtonpost.com/arthur-rosenfeld/what-is-qi_b_743986.html

[Sorry if this is too much off-topic.]
What if Qi just = super efficient movements

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Re: Afraid of my teacher, but not sure what I can do.
Reply #60 on: September 30, 2014, 08:18:37 PM
What if Qi just = super efficient movements

No, it's more than that, it's a method of achieving super efficient movements.  And as such it has a certain amount of reality, metaphorical as it may be. 

But as an actual energy field or source, no, sorry.  Wish it were. 
Tim

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Re: Afraid of my teacher, but not sure what I can do.
Reply #61 on: September 30, 2014, 08:42:47 PM
No, it's more than that, it's a method of achieving super efficient movements.  And as such it has a certain amount of reality, metaphorical as it may be. 

But as an actual energy field or source, no, sorry.  Wish it were. 
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