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Offline toby1

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Where can I find Canons
on: March 04, 2015, 08:07:29 AM
Specifically I just want sheet music with a single melody line that I can then read to play as a 2 part canon on the piano, and later to do as a 3 part where I sing the third.

I did this in an aural class at uni. I prefer free but will buy if there's no free options. Catch is I don't want all the parts written out so it becomes an exercise in aural and reading.

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Re: Where can I find Canons
Reply #1 on: March 04, 2015, 08:52:55 AM
Specifically I just want sheet music with a single melody line that I can then read to play as a 2 part canon on the piano, and later to do as a 3 part where I sing the third.

I did this in an aural class at uni. I prefer free but will buy if there's no free options. Catch is I don't want all the parts written out so it becomes an exercise in aural and reading.



Hi toby1,

Speaking of Canons, there are many out there. We would successfully search in an overwhelming crowd of folklore-books, collections etc.

Accomplished composers sometimes referred on the "Canon"-Form like Schumann, as we know ( "kanonisches Liedchen"), being in the "Album für die Jugend", page 27 of this pdf:

https://petrucci.mus.auth.gr/imglnks/usimg/0/00/IMSLP00668-Schumann_-_Album_for_the_Young__Op_68.pdf

Or Rachmaninoff, with the nice canon in e minor:

https://javanese.imslp.info/files/imglnks/usimg/6/61/IMSLP40136-PMLP87981-__________.PDF

And of course we find the 14 additional canons in the Goldberg-Variations, ( at the end of the pdfs )  too, but they may be a little difficult to read,

https://petrucci.mus.auth.gr/imglnks/usimg/2/2d/IMSLP74598-PMLP02982-Goldberg_Variations__facsimile_.pdf

https://javanese.imslp.info/files/imglnks/usimg/0/00/IMSLP18809-PMLP02982-gold.pdf

don't know if there's another version which contains the canons on IMSLP, haven't checked all the Editions..
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But I think we seldomly come across specified teaching- or practicing- canons with - for learning purposes - missing (or: left out) voices. If we want them, we'll probably have to look for them in teaching- or in learning/studying- literature.

What one could do, is, to take some of the canons I linked, and then create and write down your own version as you wish, and then proceed / practise them the way you wanted ( and described ).

Greetings from 8_octaves  :)
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Re: Where can I find Canons
Reply #2 on: March 04, 2015, 10:09:52 AM
Let me please add the following:

To check for canons of specified composers (if they composed some and entitled them as "canon" in a way), we can do this (and other things which are interesting, IMHO) on Klassika.

Example:

https://www.klassika.info/Komponisten/Schubert/wv_gattung.html#Kanon

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Furthermore, I found this one, which has to be bought somewhere:

It says it contains "suggestions for practising", too, but it's unclear  ::) whether these suggestions refer rather to exactly structural elements of the "canon" itself, than more to pianistic problems and topics.
Maybe some of you have it and can say more about it?

Kanon d-Moll für Klavier (1883) / Skrjabin. Mit Vorschlägen zum Üben von Frank Seifert ( = in English: Canon d-minor for piano (1883) / Scriabin. Including suggestions for practising by Frank Seifert. )
Skrjabin, Aleksandr N. [Komponist]; Seifert, Frank [Bearb.] [Beteiligt]
Bad Salzschlirf : Antoni-Verlag [2001]
[3] pages. ; 30 cm

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This guy seemingly has coped with some aspects of the topic "canon", too, on his site, but i didn't (and won't) check it out in detail:

https://sebastianweber.de/blog/2011/12/14/groove-training-8-kanons/

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People who are scientifically interested in the area of canons could be interested in this congress-paper:

Canons and canonic techniques, 14th - 16th century: theory, practice, and reception history : proceedings of the international conference, Leuven, 4 - 6 October 2005 / ed. by Katelijne Schiltz and Bonnie J. Blackburn
Schiltz, Katelijne *1974-* Identity ; Blackburn, Bonnie J.
International conference ; (Leuven) : 2005.10.04-06   
Leuven [u.a.] : Peeters, 2007
XXVIII, 498 S. : Ill., Notenbeisp. ( = examples of notes/scores)
Analysis in context : Leuven studies in musicology ; ZDB-ID: 25316011 ; 1
ISBN: 90-429-1681-8, 978-90-429-1681-4

Greetings from: 8_octaves!  ;)
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The artist listens for that which is well done,
the person who knows nothing listens for the faults." (T. Carreño, quoting her 2nd teacher, Gottschalk.)

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Re: Where can I find Canons
Reply #3 on: March 04, 2015, 10:13:52 AM
So you aren't actually looking for completed canons, you're basically looking for suitable subjects for treatment as a canon that you can then go on and do your own thing with?

Just search for canon on IMSLP and extract the subjects from any that appeal.
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Re: Where can I find Canons
Reply #4 on: March 04, 2015, 10:20:09 AM
That sounds like a wonderful way to stretch the brain in unusual directions.

I'd say go to a music store, if possible one with old secondhand stocks, and rummage around. I have a neat little book that presents about 400 canons as single melody lines, but it came from East Germany (in 1988, at the time where there was still an East and a West Germany) so I'm sure it's no longer in print.

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Re: Where can I find Canons
Reply #5 on: March 04, 2015, 10:38:43 AM
That sounds like a wonderful way to stretch the brain in unusual directions.

I'd say go to a music store, if possible one with old secondhand stocks, and rummage around. I have a neat little book that presents about 400 canons as single melody lines, but it came from East Germany (in 1988, at the time where there was still an East and a West Germany) so I'm sure it's no longer in print.

That's super, michael!  :)

Can you give the title of the book which came from East Germany?

(addition: ( because by using a very "narrow" regional-search I only found the books by Rubisch (Leipzig) ( "leichte Kanons und Quodlibets"), 2nd Ed. and "Rundadinella" ( maybe the 1st ed.), and Agnes Hundoegger (Berlin) ("100 Kanons..", which is too few),  and G.Wohlgemuth (Leipzig) ("Canons for 2 recorders...").

Greetings from Germany, 8_oct!
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The artist listens for that which is well done,
the person who knows nothing listens for the faults." (T. Carreño, quoting her 2nd teacher, Gottschalk.)

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Re: Where can I find Canons
Reply #6 on: March 04, 2015, 01:15:42 PM
That's super, michael!  :)

Can you give the title of the book which came from East Germany?

(addition: ( because by using a very "narrow" regional-search I only found the books by Rubisch (Leipzig) ( "leichte Kanons und Quodlibets"), 2nd Ed. and "Rundadinella" ( maybe the 1st ed.), and Agnes Hundoegger (Berlin) ("100 Kanons..", which is too few),  and G.Wohlgemuth (Leipzig) ("Canons for 2 recorders...").

Greetings from Germany, 8_oct!
It's the Rubisch book. It's called "Rundherum", with the subtitle "Leichte Kanons und Quodlibets". I haven't actually counted the canons: I just made a quick estimate by looking at the table of contents.

For today's free gift, here are the last three canons. Did you know that Carl Maria von Weber could be so cheeky?

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Re: Where can I find Canons
Reply #7 on: March 04, 2015, 01:33:24 PM
I dug up another little book out of my music library: "Der Kanon" edited by Fritz Jöde (1925, Möseler Verlag Wolfenbüttel).

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Re: Where can I find Canons
Reply #8 on: March 04, 2015, 03:49:15 PM
It's the Rubisch book. It's called "Rundherum", with the subtitle "Leichte Kanons und Quodlibets". I haven't actually counted the canons: I just made a quick estimate by looking at the table of contents.

For today's free gift, here are the last three canons. Did you know that Carl Maria von Weber could be so cheeky?



Thank you, michael, and: yes, the Weber-canon-text is funny, indeed!  :)  (since may be it refers, in a way, to a text of another canon by Mozart, or / and, slightly modified, to some words from the drama "Götz von Berlichingen."  ;D To be honest, I didn't even know that Weber created canons, therefore I didn't investigate about him either. Thanks again for your advice & hints, and

many greetings, cordially, 8_oct!
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The artist listens for that which is well done,
the person who knows nothing listens for the faults." (T. Carreño, quoting her 2nd teacher, Gottschalk.)

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Re: Where can I find Canons
Reply #9 on: March 11, 2015, 10:14:38 AM
I hadn't logged in for a while and wasn't expecting so many responses.

I'll hit up my favourite sites for out of print books and check the links you showed me.

Cheers :)
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