My recording compendium of Verdi paraphrases

[michael_sayers]

It is indeed - and it's pretty clear who's doing the confusing and who'd being confused by it!

Shouldn't you have italicised Rondes des Sylphes? It's a title of a piece of music, after all...

Best,

Alistair

Hi Alistair,

I am not so sure though about Ronde_des_Sylphes . . . maybe it is up to the publisher?


Mvh,
Michael

[michael_sayers]

I'll write to you privately later today.

Best,

Alistair

Hi Alistair,

I'll look forward to it, and it need not be today - whenever works for you is fine.

There is reason why it would be peculiar for me not to pay . . . just because I do not pay to have pianos tuned, voiced and regulated, does not mean there is a particular shortage of funds . . . and I will disclose some insight into it on a private and confidential basis.

Maybe a disagreement on this could lead to an exchange of ratiocination?

Of course, I haven't truly yet engaged in ratiocination, and have merely reported on observable facts.


Mvh,
Michael

[ahinton]

I'll look forward to it, and it need not be today - whenever works for you is fine.

It's done already.

Maybe a disagreement on this could lead to an exchange of ratiocination?

Heaven forfend!

Of course, I haven't truly yet engaged in ratiocination, and have merely reported on observable facts

Really? It's not for me to say, but the impression provided by your previous references thereto imply at least that you believe that you have, even if in fact you have not!

Best,

Alistair

[8_octaves]

Hi 8_octaves,

Goldberg Variations is a title.  "Bach transcriptions" are transcriptions of which the composer is Bach. [...] dog food

LOL Michael_sayers,   think:

Then, the transcriptions might have been existent, BEFORE he made them??   look:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Planck_constant

The Planck constant is...

...named after Max Planck, the instigator of quantum theory, who discovered it in 1900.

So, here the connector is the "quantor" => "discovered". Why not it be so for the Verdi transcriptions, too? They were already existent in a ... continuum ? - he only had to DISCOVER them!  

Pls note, @michael_sayers: There will be MANY of such examples which won't be sufficiently explained by your "Title => capitalize" - arguments. Even the Goldberg Variations is, diligently spoken, only a "title" for librarians, who have to add them as a "further title-form" on written cards or as references in online cataloging, because the ORIGINAL title wasn't "Goldberg Variations", as you know. And the connector here would be: => "played" or "got the", according to the known anecdote. Because young, blonde, tender Goldberg   PLAYED THEM for the count, when he was in the bed.   ....

And "dog food" ? Perhaps it's a film. But if food for dogs is meant, it describes what we all know. ANd not food MADE BY / COMPOSED BY dogs / a dog.

Cordially, 8_octaves!

PS.: I didn't write this posting in a too serious mood. Because, it's difficult for me to stay serious, after having read Michael's funny word-games  

[ahinton]

I didn't write this posting in a too serious mood. Because, it's difficult for me to stay serious, after having read Michael's funny word-games

They're games, are they? Is that what they are? I cannot imagine what they might add to the study of game theory but have no especial wish to be told. If game, then not soccer, or cricket, or tennis (Schönberg playing Gershwin notwithstanding), still less semantic/pedentic verbal gymnastics, but partridge, pheasant, pigeon, teal, widgeon, quail (I'll now duck in case anyone here grouses)...

Best,

Alistair

[8_octaves]

They're games, are they? Is that what they are? I cannot imagine what they might add to the study of game theory but have no especial wish to be told. If game, then not soccer, or cricket, or tennis (Schönberg playing Gershwin notwithstanding), still less semantic/pedentic verbal gymnastics, but partridge, pheasant, pigeon, teal, widgeon, quail (I'll now duck in case anyone here grouses)...
 
Best,

Alistair

Hmm..I haven't yet spotted of which purpose they are, either..so, it means Karma for you, Alistair.   What I know is, that the whole world speaks of "Verdi transcriptions", and no matter whether letters are capitalized or not, people mean transcriptions of Verdi-operas or parts of them.   - And when people SPEAK, unfortunately, and additionally, @Michael_sayers, one cannot see whether they capitalize letters or not. Discussion would be only about written stuff, and therein very unstable and unsecure, with many exceptions raised. Sorry, Michael, no point, this time, for you.

Cordially, 8_octaves!

PS.: And we shouldn't forget that Verdi wrote 1 or two works for piano, too, which could be seen - for example if we follow Busoni's ideas, as an arrangement / transcription of what is in one's brain.  

[ahinton]

Hmm..I haven't yet spotted what of which purpose they are, either..so, it means Karma for you, Alistair.

I think not, actually! No need, it wuld seem...

What I know is, that the whole world speaks of "Verdi transcriptions", and no matter whether letters are capitalized or not, people mean transcriptions of Verdi-operas or parts of them.   - And when people SPEAK, unfortunately, and additionally, @Michael_sayers, one cannot see whether they capitalize letters or not. Discussion would be only about written stuff, and therein very unstable and unsecure, with many exceptions raised. Sorry, Michael, no point, this time, for you.

In my experience (and one which I think would be shared by the majority, indeed probably by almost everyone else other than MS), "Verdi transcriptions", whether spoken of or written of (italicised or otherwise - and Verdi was Italian, after all!) are understood to refer to transcriptions of Verdi's work by others (and perhaps even also by Verdi himself had he transcribed any of his own music) whereas spoken or written references to "Liszt's transcriptions" are understood to denote transcriptions of others' music (and perhaps even also Liszt's own) by Liszt.

I would not have thought that this was so difficult to understand or accept and doubt that it is so for most of us!

Best,

Alistair

[8_octaves]

[...]
In my experience (and one which I think would be shared by the majority, indeed probably by almost everyone else other than MS), "Verdi transcriptions", whether spoken of or written of (italicised or otherwise - and Verdi was Italian, after all!) are understood to refer to transcriptions of Verdi's work by others (and perhaps even also by Verdi himself had he transcribed any of his own music) whereas spoken or written references to "Liszt's transcriptions" are understood to denote transcriptions of others' music (and perhaps even also Liszt's own) by Liszt.

I would not have thought that this was so difficult to understand or accept and doubt that it is so for most of us!

Best,

Alistair

Yes. Look:

Type : enregistrement sonore, monographie
Auteur(s) :  Liszt, Franz (1811-1886 ). Compositeur
Titre(s) :  The complete Wagner & Verdi transcriptions [Enregistrement sonore] ; Lieder aus der Musik von Eduard Lassen zu Hebbels Nibelungen S496 / Liszt, comp. ; Michèle Campanella, p
Publication :  [Leeuwarden (Pays-Bas)] : Brilliant classics ; [France] : [distrib. Abeille musique], P 2013
Description matérielle :  3 disques compacts (1 h 03 min 54 s, 55 min 38 s, 1 h 10 min 29 s) : DDD + 1 brochure (15 p.) : ill. en coul., couv. ill. en coul. ; 12 cm
Note(s) :  Notice en anglais et italien / Michèle Campanella
Prod. : Brilliant classics, P 2013
Interprète(s) :  Campanella, Michele (1947-.... ). Piano
Genre :  musique classique > musique instrumentale soliste
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Cordially, 8_octaves.

[michael_sayers]

Yes. Look:

Type : enregistrement sonore, monographie
Auteur(s) :  Liszt, Franz (1811-1886 ). Compositeur
Titre(s) :  The complete Wagner & Verdi transcriptions [Enregistrement sonore] ; Lieder aus der Musik von Eduard Lassen zu Hebbels Nibelungen S496 / Liszt, comp. ; Michèle Campanella, p
Publication :  [Leeuwarden (Pays-Bas)] : Brilliant classics ; [France] : [distrib. Abeille musique], P 2013
Description matérielle :  3 disques compacts (1 h 03 min 54 s, 55 min 38 s, 1 h 10 min 29 s) : DDD + 1 brochure (15 p.) : ill. en coul., couv. ill. en coul. ; 12 cm
Note(s) :  Notice en anglais et italien / Michèle Campanella
Prod. : Brilliant classics, P 2013
Interprète(s) :  Campanella, Michele (1947-.... ). Piano
Genre :  musique classique > musique instrumentale soliste
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Cordially, 8_octaves.

Hi 8_octaves,

I see a line in there that is incorrect.  Do you want me to say which one it is?  It has something to do with titles . . .  


Mvh,
Michael

[michael_sayers]

LOL Michael_sayers,   think:

Then, the transcriptions might have been existent, BEFORE he made them??   look:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Planck_constant

The Planck constant is...

So, here the connector is the "quantor" => "discovered". Why not it be so for the Verdi transcriptions, too? They were already existent in a ... continuum ? - he only had to DISCOVER them!  

Hi 8_octaves,

Music composition is, in essence, a process of discovery - but maybe what is discovered is also partly, in the process, being created at the same time?

Just something for you to contemplate . . .


Mvh,
Michael

[goldentone]

Well, La Forza del destino was sublime, Ronde.  Your pearled and singing tone glides along the solid base of your technique.  The climactic passage in the 6 minute mark is worth the time alone.  And the subtleties you can express provide much joy.  I listen to Allclassical.com at night, a very good station, but the pianists they feature, today's so-called greats, cannot play like you do.  

[ronde_des_sylphes]

Thanks, goldentone. I shall file that away in the nice compliments section! Glad you enjoyed it.

[michael_sayers]

Thanks, goldentone. I shall file that away in the nice compliments section! Glad you enjoyed it.

Hi ronde_des_sylphes,

Is it possible that I may fill out a request form to have my compliments filed in that same section?



Mvh,
Michael

[ronde_des_sylphes]

Positive comments are always noted, but as I am someone who is susceptible to fine and/or flowery prose, such writing carries additional weight! In truth, whilst such things are very pleasant to read, I'm aware of my limitations and am simply happy if I feel I have put across successfully what in many cases is very rare music.

[michael_sayers]

Positive comments are always noted, but as I am someone who is susceptible to fine and/or flowery prose, such writing carries additional weight! In truth, whilst such things are very pleasant to read, I'm aware of my limitations and am simply happy if I feel I have put across successfully what in many cases is very rare music.

Hi ronde_des_sylphes,

Is it okay if I just borrow and adapt some from Shelley and Keats?


Mvh,
Michael

[ronde_des_sylphes]

I don't check for plagiarism, but I'm not sure my piano playing really merits an outbreak of odes!

[michael_sayers]

I don't check for plagiarism, but I'm not sure my piano playing really merits an outbreak of odes!

Hi ronde_des_sylphes,

I may test this with the Odes of Pindar.

Those, though, are heroico, and not particularly flowery, as in keeping with the austere writing style of the ancient Greeks generally.

By the way, someone has posted a thread about The Andrew Wright Appreciation Club.  Maybe you have heard of a pianist named Andrew Wright?

https://www.pianostreet.com/smf/index.php?topic=58175.0


Mvh,
Michael

[michael_sayers]

Hi ronde_des_sylphes,

I wonder if this has anything to do with your video not streaming through YouTube in Sweden?

https://www.thelocal.se/20150506/push-to-stream-foreign-media-sites-in-sweden


Mvh,
Michael

[ronde_des_sylphes]

I really have very little idea about why a video would or would not have streaming permission; it might equally be related to in which countries the its parent CD is being distributed (I don't have full details of this).

I have even less idea as to who the gentleman with a Facebook appreciation club is!