Hi Im 26 years old and I play piano for one and half year and i can play Chopin nocturnes Nos 1 and 2 and 19 and some of preludes ..I also played Rachmaninoff moment musical no 5 ( after practice about 3 month on this piece ) and i really practice hard and some times im practice about 7 hour in a day..I know it sounds laughable And possibly embarrassing that i ask this question But I really love Rachmaninoff rhapsody and Concerto no 2 and Brahms Concerto no 1 and 2... is there any chance for me to play any of these pieces in Near future years ?
1) Don't practice seven hours a day. At your level, it is a complete waste of time and energy. How do I know that? Duh!- you figure it out.2) The first two Beethoven Concertos are commonly taught as student pieces. And, they are commonly, especially the 2nd, performed with major orchestras throughout the world.3) The notes to any of the major Mozart Concerti (C Major, A Major, C Minor, F Major) are a no brainer to learn. That DOES NOT MEAN that you will have them ready for performance, but it does mean that you will have them under your fingers when you are ready to perform at that level.The VERY BIG SECRET is that most piano teachers have a tiny concerto repertoire. Therefore, they do not teach these pieces.If you want anyone to take you seriously as a performer, you have to have a significant concerto repertoire. Start with the Beethoven and Mozart (Poulenc?), and my compliments for having the foresight and "guts" to broach the question.
I think it's very possible if you approach it in the right way. I am very well trained and I have been playing for 46 years. There came a time about 25 years in that I made an exponential jump in my understanding of theory and also in my ability to play--it was kind of strange actually--I just sort of "got it" one day. Anyway, what I realized is that I always "had it" I was just afraid to use it. If you believe that these concertos can only be played by lifelong pianists--well you are just setting yourself up for failure. Try to take an attitude of "I am just not giving up until I can do this. "spend time listening to these pieces--analyze the form--watch as many different performers playing these as you can.. Learn little bits of it first--a measure or two at a time---this makes it far less overwhelming. Pick out the main themes by ear with the RH and keep telling yourself "this is easy.." no matter how frustrated you become. Watch professional tutorials--some are really quite well done and can be very helpful.Study the score away from the piano, too so that your eyes will be come accustomed to it before you even sit down to play. you can do this for weeks before you commit to learning it. As you look at the score imagine where the notes are on the piano--do this slowly. It will make an amazing difference.most importantly---don't let anyone tell you that you can't achieve this. I look forward to your performance video!BEST OF LUCK
Trying to force yourself into playing something that is far out of your reach will not do you ANY favour. On the contrary, it may be and it most probably will be just destructive. After such short time of learning to play the piano you simply do not have the skills and just saying yourself that you are able to play will not get you those skills. I am sorry to say this but it is just the way it is for all of us. You can spend your time analyzing the score, listening and watching the artists playing it - but this time will be most probably wasted. Why?Because instead of practicing and playing pieces at your skill level and progressively increasing the difficulty level you will be trying to "cheat". To me it is like somebody who just learned how to walk wants to run the marathon right away. Yes, you can play those pieces - in a few years, when you commit yourself to the piano and learn the skills PROGRESSIVELY. During my teenage time I was so very fond of Chopin (of course I still am) that I sat long hours and tried to play his pieces - nocturnes, preludes, etudes. My teacher would always tell me - do not waste your time, practice 'your' stuff. I would not listen, I just could not understand - why not?? I understand it today - playing too difficult stuff, for which I was not prepared and did not have the skills at that time, resulted in forceful playing, full of tension. It got me bad habits, constant tension - I needed a long time to get rid of those bad habits (still not sure if I completely managed to). Yes, I was able to play some of the pieces, or let's say, play parts of them but this playing was connected to so much stress, tension and it was just not natural. It was forced. And you could hear it (and see it). It was not satisfying at all, on the contrary, very destructive, for finally I was so sad and frustrated, that despite all of that hard work and time I was not able to play them as good pianists do, that I decided to quit piano - and have not touched the keyboard for many years. Had I continued with normal studying of the regular pieces, progressively, I am sure I would have made a great progress. The decision is yours.
I am an eternal optimist... I don't think time spent studying music is ever wasted....
I think it's very possible if you approach it in the right way. . . There came a time . . . in that I made an exponential jump in my understanding of theory and also in my ability to play . . . If you believe that these concertos can only be played by lifelong pianists--well you are just setting yourself up for failure. Try to take an attitude of "I am just not giving up until I can do this. "spend time listening to these pieces--analyze the form--watch as many different performers playing these as you can.. Learn little bits of it first--a measure or two at a time---this makes it far less overwhelming. Pick out the main themes by ear with the RH and keep telling yourself "this is easy.." no matter how frustrated you become . . most importantly---don't let anyone tell you that you can't achieve this.
I suppose natural technique is necessary, but i never had issues in that department.
It is a good thing to be an optimist.. I learned that there are no shortcuts in piano playing
What is natural technique? If you never had issues "in that department" what did you do all those years
Natural technique is committing to a task with no consequence physically. Getting it done no strain etc. I worked very hard, but my hands and results never indicated that i was doing anything wrong. Getting your mind around a rachmaninov concerto is a rather different story. Either you can do it or not. But, time as a very generous factor, it's possible. But there has to be consistent determined effort and a decent technique. The op will probably get married and have kids before that happens and well..... what's wrong with that? heh, please, prove me wrong, by all means.
So, how dare you seek to advise a true soul, who has the brains and the temerity to ask for advice on how to learn a piano concerto. As previously stated, based on the track record of the worlds great piano students, where do you come off?
Absent that, if they didn't win "X" number of contests, then they (with their DMA) are teaching K-5 at some Elementary school.
I think it's very possible if you approach it in the right way. I am very well trained and I have been playing for 46 years. There came a time about 25 years in that I made an exponential jump in my understanding of theory and also in my ability to play--it was kind of strange actually--I just sort of "got it" one day. Anyway, what I realized is that I always "had it" I was just afraid to use it.
How dare i seek to advise? I don't get it, he asked for advice. It was fairly practical advice too, I made it clear that it's possible and i also produced a reasonable scenario on the side. From nothing to that level repertoire takes very long in terms of training to do it properly. Of course, the definition of properly varies heavily from one to another. Maybe they're teaching music and enjoy it, that's also possible, everyone does after all strive to do what they love.
Secondly, if their methodology was valid, accurate and on point, the world would be littered with concert pianists. AND, IT IS NOT!!
Also a concert pianist status usually requires some demand from the audience so one must ask: How many concert pianists are actually needed in the world at one time?
i don't have many big issues with what louispodesta says. I don't disagree or agree with his information.But i do agree with that strongly.
Well, I started playing when I was 5 and have played for 12,5 years as of now - and only now am I on the level where I can start studying the more difficult works of the romantic composers, such as Liszt rhapsodies, etudes, some Ravel etc. But the works you mentioned - Rach and Brahms concertos - are still beyond my ability, and will be probably for another year or two.But You are an adult beginner, who has been playing for 1,5 years. You said it took you 3 months to learn Rach's moment musicaux op. 16 no. 5 - it would take me perhaps a couple of days to learn and memorize it, if I practiced 7 hours a day as you mentioned.Learn lots of Bach... preludes and fugues, easier partitas and such. You can soon perhaps start with Czerny etudes... in a few years perhaps easier chopin's Etudes and some easier Beethoven. I have to be honest - I think there's a clear limit to how much an adult beginner such as you can progress, and It might be below the level of the concertos you mentioned. Especially if you don't have a teacher - at your level, studying with a teacher is probably about 90% more effective than studying on your own.
In the early 20th century, there were over 300,000 pianos sold each year in the U.S., and that, of course, does not include western Europe.
Did you really? Have it always I mean?The fact is that you HAD been playing and trained for 25 years. That experience, no matter how inadequate it felt at that moment did contribute a lot. I always find it a bit amusing when people who have been playing for decades start telling beginners that they can achieve the same in a few years if they just do it right It's normal for people to make huge sudden leaps in their learning, but that doesn't mean that the leap didn't require the previous work as well as that moment of "seeing the light".
Topic: Is it possible for me to play formidable Concertos ? 