I've thought Clara Schumann was more of a pickup artist.
if I remember correctly she was seen in the company of Brahms after Schumann screwed up his hands and went nuts...? hmmm
She was initially interested in the works of Liszt, but later developed an outright hostility to him. She ceased to play any of his works; she suppressed her husband's dedication to Liszt of his Fantasie in C major when she published Schumann's complete works; and she refused to attend a Beethoven centenary festival in Vienna in 1870 when she heard that Liszt and Richard Wagner would be participating.[7]Make your speculations
The thing which puzzles me about Liszt, if he was really such an extravagantly lecherous rake, is why he did not have syphilis.
besides women are known to believe that good hands on the piano...will mean good hands in other ...things...ahem...too. The harder and faster the pianist plays... well...it drives women crazy lets just leave it at that...lol.
The enmity between Clara Schumann and Liszt is complex, but part of it arose from Liszt's pupil, Hermann Cohen. Liszt and consequently Cohen voiced support for Robert Schumann against Clara's father, Friedrich Wieck. Wieck responded in the newspapers with vitriol against the pair. Cohen then sued Wieck for libel (and won the case). Although Liszt did nothing, Clara may have taken this lawsuit as an attack against her family, more or less guilt by association.
Oh- yet another opportunity for dcstudio to dramatize her 50 Shades of Franz! So Clara was already seriously considering adultery BEFORE she and Robert married What a sinful *****
Bruh, your involvement in this topic... 12-year olds these daysJk, most middle schoolers I know are "perverted" as ever, so it's normal ;P
It's not FAIR! Schubert, the awkward introvert guy, probably had sex like once or twice DIES OF SYPHILIS meanwhile playboy lives until 70+? Fck that! Man I would have rather had a Schubert that lived until 70 and a Liszt that died at 32 than the other way around. DAMMIT.IS THERE AN ULTIMATE UNIVERSE I CAN TRAVEL TO?
I'm not perverted. Only boys are perveted
Franz's students would be his coven... when he bites them they can play anything and they become vampire monster piano players who are immortal and reinvent themselves as new composers
In Ken Russell's crazy, part-hilarious, part-surreal movie Lisztomania, Wagner metamorphoses into a vampire and bites Liszt in the neck (it's a piece of fairly unsubtle musical history symbolism). The movie also opens with Liszt in action, albeit not of the pianistic variety, to the beat of a metronome which gradually accelerates.
to a metronome?... lol.. that would be really distracting... but that's still pretty cool to see Liszt "in action" --albeit not at the piano.I remember Wagner was Liszt's father - in -law... so that makes sense... hmmm my plot thickens
Wait- wasn't Liszt Wagner's father in law? I thought Wagner married Liszt's daughter.
"cool?"for me, I would call it "scarring..."
Yes; speaking of syphilis, at my teacher's studio recital, I & other "piano classmates" had this funny-but-weird conversation about Schubert and the possible relations he had, as well as the ways he "swung..." (who said classical music was stuffy and boring?)
really? Schubert? a "swinger" ewwwww... syphilis... you guys didn't see the stuff they showed my generation about that... the films.. the pictures...OMG...
Wait, I meant the "direction" in which one "swings..." which is also called sexual orientation As for Schubert being a swinger, I don't know about that, though it brings news meaning to the "Schubertiades" *smirk emoji*
lol...you mean he was just gay? yeah with those glasses and all that wavy hair... and all shy and sensitive.. and he idolized Beeth..(and I am just going to stop right there)
Schubert had a really close but weird friendship with an extroverted playboy. I forgot his name, but sources tell us that he was very extroverted and sociable..the exact opposite of Schubert. He adored Schubert, loved being around him, and he was probably the one that convinced Schubert to visit a whorehouse. Weirdly enough after Schubert's death, this guy never spoke about Schubert EVER again. Didn't have any letters from Schubert in his possession, as if the guy never existed. Kinda reminds me of the way George Sands treated Chopin after his death (she burnt/destroyed all of his letters..).I kinda suspected that Schubert might have been gay from this guy but then you take into account that 1. Schubert had a lot of crushes/love interests, and he also often dedicated works to them. An example would be his Fantasie in fminor for duet...dedicated to his pupil. Sources claim that he was in love with her.2. Schubert's closest friend lived a long life, and he didn't have syphilis. So Schubert's lack of relationship with women might have not been because he was into men, but because he was just THAT socially awkward. It's just weird when you read about this man's personality after you listen or play his music. The thought of such a timid man creating such powerful music completely baffles me.
Schober, Franz von (1796–1882). Austrian dilettante. Gifted, charismatic and undisciplined, he was in many ways the most prominent member of Schubert’s circle. Franz von Schober, an associate of the ‘Bildung Circle’ and already a sophisticated man of the world, certainly in his own estimation. Tall, handsome, smooth, facile and verbally articulate, he was in many respects Schubert’s polar opposite. Oozing charisma, he quite overwhelmed the diminutive, tongue-tied Schubert, who quickly became an adoring admirer. He was hardly alone. Schubert’s friend and former schoolmate Eduard von Bauernfeld was almost equally entranced: 'Schober surpasses us all in mind, and still more so in speech!'
He was certainly Schubert's closest and most influential friend, but not in the long run for the better. Helpful in establishing useful opportunities and contacts in the early part of Schubert’s career, and in providing him with lodgings for extended periods, he was later blamed, most fiercely by Josef Kenner (see above). Frustratingly for posterity, this man who knew Schubert longer and better than anyone else outside his family never set down a single sentence of reminiscence.
Kenner, Josef (1794–1868). Austrian civil servant and a former schoolmate of Schubert’s at the Seminary. Of Kenner, an accomplished amateur writer, Schubert set to music 3 of his poems.
His reminiscences are most memorable for their scathing attack on Schober’s influence in Schubert’s life. He certainly blamed Schober for encouraging the composer into the pathways that led to his final illness.
To his discredit he could never be persuaded to write down his memories of Schubert – a document which might have been of the greatest importance to all students of the composer’s life. Whether this was sheer laziness or whether his relationship with the composer seemed too complicated, or perhaps too precious, to explain to the world many years later, is a moot point. He died with many secrets intact about a man whom he never seems to have realised was to be the sole reason for his own immortality.
Hmmmm........ I was looking at caricatures of Brahms today, and I think I've discovered something...Was Clara Schumann a ....umm...... a dress for sale?Or maybe she was just very shaftable.
Hmmmm........ I was looking at caricatures of Brahms today, and I think I've discovered something...Was Clara Schumann a ....umm...... a dress for sale?
Topic: Was Franz Liszt a pick-up artist? 