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How careful should a pianist be about his/her hands?
on: August 30, 2015, 11:13:46 PM
Today I was playing football after church with my pals. QB threw a hail mary 60 yards and I dove, caught it, and smacked the ground. The ball had jammed my 4th and 5th finger, and I also fell on the same fingers. It didn't hurt too bad at the time, but when we got home, I started practicing AJ Long's prelude in A major, and I noticed it started to hurt. I tried some chopin preludes but I hurt worse. I started Bach and it hurt terribly! Doubtfully, I switched to Chopin's thirds and it felt like the wrath of God almighty!! Ha ha! It led me to thinking, what if this happened a few days before a competition? Like this or cutting break and you take out a chunk of your finger or something. That would be a disaster! Obviously I wouldn't play football a week before a competition, but I led me to thinking, how careful should one be? Do pros like Zimerman or Lang Lang never do any sports or cutting food or lifting weights or anything? Where's the line?
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Re: How careful should a pianist be about his/her hands?
Reply #1 on: August 31, 2015, 12:16:56 AM


Football and piano.... don't mix.

you only get one set of hands....be nice to them. 

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Re: How careful should a pianist be about his/her hands?
Reply #2 on: August 31, 2015, 12:36:43 AM
I love playing basketball -- for years.. I have had a few jammed fingers (maybe 4) over that time, but the damage was not so great, and have always repaired quickly.. (and I wasn't too preoccupied with that possibility while playing)… Perhaps i have been lucky… But it is also something i need to balance out my musical activities..
I am not saying i would (necessarily) recommend it… It is always a gamble i suppose -- but i am definitely cautious in a myriad of other ways………. (never put my hands up while on roller coasters - etc… )   I certainly wouldn't play football.
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Re: How careful should a pianist be about his/her hands?
Reply #3 on: August 31, 2015, 03:35:32 AM
Anything that's going to damage your hands, yes.  Either sudden injury like that or something like lifting weights where it strains the muscles would be something to be aware of (although not necessary bad).

Or play it in a way where you can't damage your hands (or head).

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Re: How careful should a pianist be about his/her hands?
Reply #4 on: August 31, 2015, 03:46:35 AM
Yeah, I guess you guys are right. But what about a person like me, who only plays ~1 - 1.5 hrs per day, and I'm not a professional nor do I think I'm going to be good enough to be one! When I put it that way, it sounds silly to restrict other sports, but then at the same time, I love piano more than anything else, and it would be terrible if I got my hand run over by a tractor like my friend named John... poor John....

oh and btw I meant to say cutting bread in my first post, not cutting break lol :)

So what activities do you restrict in the name of piano?
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Re: How careful should a pianist be about his/her hands?
Reply #5 on: August 31, 2015, 04:03:26 AM
I'm not a professional nor do I think I'm going to be good enough to be one!

I wouldn't be so sure about that...

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Re: How careful should a pianist be about his/her hands?
Reply #6 on: August 31, 2015, 04:07:34 AM
I wouldn't be so sure about that...

Oh thanks ;D

but... um... there's this little issue of musicality coming in at... 0.  :-\
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Re: How careful should a pianist be about his/her hands?
Reply #7 on: August 31, 2015, 04:19:51 AM
Oh thanks ;D

but... um... there's this little issue of musicality coming in at... 0.  :-\

What's musicality to you?

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Re: How careful should a pianist be about his/her hands?
Reply #8 on: August 31, 2015, 04:21:26 AM
I have always exercised common sense in looking after my hands but I never avoided sports or physical activity for that reason. The two occasions I did injure my hands were somewhat freakish and probably couldn't have been avoided short of staying in bed all day. I had a tremendous fall on asphalt during a very strenuous tennis match years ago and tore most of the ligaments in a wrist. More recently I was tucking in a sheet while making the bed, when it caught and rammed a finger under my hand, almost causing a mallet finger, the effect lasting for weeks.

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Re: How careful should a pianist be about his/her hands?
Reply #9 on: August 31, 2015, 04:25:30 AM
What's musicality to you?

Interesting... I guess I've never really thought about that. Maybe it's how you play the notes, not just playing the notes themselves?

I have always exercised common sense in looking after my hands but I never avoided sports or physical activity for that reason. The two occasions I did injure my hands were somewhat freakish and probably couldn't have been avoided short of staying in bed all day. I had a tremendous fall on asphalt during a very strenuous tennis match years ago and tore most of the ligaments in a wrist. More recently I was tucking in a sheet while making the bed, when it caught and rammed a finger under my hand, almost causing a mallet finger, the effect lasting for weeks.

Those sound like they hurt really bad! I play tennis also, it's the only sport I'm actually pretty good at and that I play competitively. I hear that tennis is really bad for piano players though. Argh!!
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Re: How careful should a pianist be about his/her hands?
Reply #10 on: August 31, 2015, 04:28:42 AM
Interesting... I guess I've never really thought about that. Maybe it's how you play the notes, not just playing the notes themselves?



Do you have basic rhythmic skills? Can you differentiate between pitches? Can you remember music in your head and sing it? Can you hear when you make a mistake?

That’s all the "musicality" you'll need. The rest is called musical maturity and that you will get only by making music and studying it. A lot. You'd also need some imagination and ability to express and connect to audience to be really successful. Those also can be developed. At your age you're very much a WIP :)

If I had your physical and cognitive skills I would quit my job and just play the piano  ;)

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Re: How careful should a pianist be about his/her hands?
Reply #11 on: August 31, 2015, 04:34:28 AM
Ha ha, you're too nice. And that's helpful. The thing that worries me is that just playing notes can be learned by lots of practice, but playing them well, it seems to me, is something you have to kind of "have", or else it's really really hard to fake...
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Re: How careful should a pianist be about his/her hands?
Reply #12 on: August 31, 2015, 04:39:46 AM
Ha ha, you're too nice. And that's helpful. The thing that worries me is that just playing notes can be learned by lots of practice, but playing them well, it seems to me, is something you have to kind of "have", or else it's really really hard to fake...

It's not something you need to have when you are born. Yes, seems like some people do. But there are plenty of professional musicians that were no prodigies. I'm not saying you should become one though, at least if you like money...only if music is the only thing you can imagine yourself happily spending at least 40 hours a week in the future  ;)

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Re: How careful should a pianist be about his/her hands?
Reply #13 on: August 31, 2015, 04:40:54 AM
I play tennis also, it's the only sport I'm actually pretty good at and that I play competitively. I hear that tennis is really bad for piano players though. Argh!!

Why is tennis bad for piano playing ? I didn't know people thought that. It certainly didn't harm my playing, and in my twenties I played competitively and very hard for many hours at a time. I used to be on the court most of the weekend and my accident was just bad luck. It is possible that gripping the racquet tightly for long periods of time caused very minor inflexibility of the fingers, I suppose, but the effect is debatable as the dominant hand usually is less flexible anyway.
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Re: How careful should a pianist be about his/her hands?
Reply #14 on: August 31, 2015, 04:46:56 AM
Why is tennis bad for piano playing ? I didn't know people thought that. It certainly didn't harm my playing, and in my twenties I played competitively and very hard for many hours at a time. I used to be on the court most of the weekend and my accident was just bad luck. It is possible that gripping the racquet tightly for long periods of time caused very minor inflexibility of the fingers, I suppose, but the effect is debatable as the dominant hand usually is less flexible anyway.

I guess there's the risk of over straining or injuring the wrists or elbows if you don't naturally have strong sturdy joints? But there must also be benefits. I play badmington and I think it's just good for my playing. I have hypermobile wrists so It feels safer than tennis because the rack is less heavy.

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Re: How careful should a pianist be about his/her hands?
Reply #15 on: August 31, 2015, 04:50:09 AM
It's not something you need to have when you are born. Yes, seems like some people do. But there are plenty of professional musicians that were no prodigies. I'm not saying you should become one though, at least if you like money...only if music is the only thing you can imagine yourself happily spending at least 40 hours a week in the future  ;)

Thanks for all the great advice, I really appreciate it and I'm not just brushing over it. Yes, I mean who doesn't like money but I love piano soooooo much it's kind of a predicament. Well why am I wasting your time with how I'm going to make money when I'm older haha!

Although, I did mean to ask someone knowledgable (that means you) do you need to go to music school to do that for a living? Is it like you go to an orchestra and you're like "I want to play for you" and the first thing they ask you is "give me your music school diploma". Or is it like they care more about how good you are and music school makes you so much better that you need to go to it? I'm confused, what's new. lol :)

Why is tennis bad for piano playing ? I didn't know people thought that. It certainly didn't harm my playing, and in my twenties I played competitively and very hard for many hours at a time. I used to be on the court most of the weekend and my accident was just bad luck. It is possible that gripping the racquet tightly for long periods of time caused very minor inflexibility of the fingers, I suppose, but the effect is debatable as the dominant hand usually is less flexible anyway.

I hear that it's bad because you're rolling your wrist a lot and you can just roll it right out of place, at least that's what my piano teacher says! I don't know, though, I've never had even a minor injury playing.
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Re: How careful should a pianist be about his/her hands?
Reply #16 on: August 31, 2015, 05:16:09 AM


Although, I did mean to ask someone knowledgable (that means you) do you need to go to music school to do that for a living? Is it like you go to an orchestra and you're like "I want to play for you" and the first thing they ask you is "give me your music school diploma". Or is it like they care more about how good you are and music school makes you so much better that you need to go to it? I'm confused, what's new. lol :)


I'm not "knowledgeable" really :)
In music that is, only career councelling.

I would not think you need to go to music school to be good or even to make some sort of living from music. But going to music school will give you the opportunity to spend all those hours on studying music. Because you are expected to study something and if it's some other school it will take so much of your time music will need to come second. So it's not so much that you need the diploma, but you need the time to mature and in the best case the music school will offer that. And hopefully good mentors as well. And connections, because it's the connections that ultimately allow you to make a decent living.

But I am sure you can find a lot of people who went to music school who think it was a waste of time :)

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Re: How careful should a pianist be about his/her hands?
Reply #17 on: August 31, 2015, 05:19:21 AM
Those sound like they hurt really bad! I play tennis also, it's the only sport I'm actually pretty good at and that I play competitively.

That game actually had a hilarious outcome. I soaked the wrist in cold water, went back on and won the match. I couldn't throw the ball up to serve properly and all movements were painful. He was a leading junior and, like many, a net-rusher and belter. So I kept lobbing over his head to his baseline and feeding him deep lollipops until he lost his temper and blew the tiebreaker. I wasn't capable of anything better. Terrible tennis to watch and I should not have recommenced, never mind won, but it got a point for our team. Then came the visits to hospital for x-rays and weeks without piano.
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Re: How careful should a pianist be about his/her hands?
Reply #18 on: August 31, 2015, 05:42:45 AM
Pencilart, there are many other things for you to consider:
- Will your parents support you?
- Do you enjoy performing?
- Can you only imagine yourself as a solo performer or could you be happy with making a living in various way, accompanying, playing in ensembles, playing something else than classical, playing in churches, teaching...? You do realize that the famous pianists discussed here are just the tip of the iceberg, there are plenty of pianists you have never heard of but who still make a living out of playing?
- Do you have any entrepreneurial spirit and stubborness when needed or do you just expect a regular paycheck?

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Reply #19 on: August 31, 2015, 02:17:31 PM
Pencilart, there are many other things for you to consider:
- Will your parents support you?
- Do you enjoy performing?
- Can you only imagine yourself as a solo performer or could you be happy with making a living in various way, accompanying, playing in ensembles, playing something else than classical, playing in churches, teaching...? You do realize that the famous pianists discussed here are just the tip of the iceberg, there are plenty of pianists you have never heard of but who still make a living out of playing?
- Do you have any entrepreneurial spirit and stubborness when needed or do you just expect a regular paycheck?

Thanks for the replies outin!

1. I think so, do you mean financially or do you just mean "I'm good with you doing it"?
2. ENJOY?! That's a severe understatement. Performing is like the best time of the year!
3. I currently lead worship for my church and I had 11 people pestering me to teach their kids so I have a few students also, it's not my favorite but I don't mind it.
4. Definitely don't need a regular check as you put it.

I guess you weren't really asking me but oh well, I've put them here! Thanks for the help!

That game actually had a hilarious outcome. I soaked the wrist in cold water, went back on and won the match. I couldn't throw the ball up to serve properly and all movements were painful. He was a leading junior and, like many, a net-rusher and belter. So I kept lobbing over his head to his baseline and feeding him deep lollipops until he lost his temper and blew the tiebreaker. I wasn't capable of anything better. Terrible tennis to watch and I should not have recommenced, never mind won, but it got a point for our team. Then came the visits to hospital for x-rays and weeks without piano.

Wow, good job finishing! ;D Your description reminded me of a Beethoven sonata I played for a competition... actually don't remind me haha!!
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Re: How careful should a pianist be about his/her hands?
Reply #20 on: August 31, 2015, 03:49:21 PM
Thanks for the replies outin!

1. I think so, do you mean financially or do you just mean "I'm good with you doing it"?

Both actually :)

Seems to me you make a good candidate for studying music, so best forget all those dangerous sports and take care of your hands!  And do NOT start skateboarding ;D

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Reply #21 on: August 31, 2015, 03:58:12 PM
And do NOT start skateboarding ;D

Haha! My friend skateboards but I said NO!  :D
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Re: How careful should a pianist be about his/her hands?
Reply #22 on: August 31, 2015, 04:51:25 PM
Boxing and handball, bad.  Go for racketball or squash instead of handball. 
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Re: How careful should a pianist be about his/her hands?
Reply #23 on: August 31, 2015, 04:54:10 PM
Boxing and handball, bad. 

Boxing + Piano = 0

Handball + Piano = 0

Boxing + Handball = -2 hands
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Re: How careful should a pianist be about his/her hands?
Reply #24 on: August 31, 2015, 06:03:44 PM
The concert pianist I know, plays hockey for leisure.  :o  We, his devoted fans, complain and worry so much: "oh pleeease, take care of your hands! Your hands!" but he just laughs and assures that his hands are very well protected by the gloves in hockey.
But ribs are not ... obviously ...

BTW he once told a funny story about this. He and his team had just finished their training session and a little ice princess started to prepare her training by playing the music she was to use in her freestyle program. He smiled at her and said "Shostakovich D minor walz, that's a great music choice!" She nearly dropped her jaw, because that was not something she had expected to hear from a sweaty hockey warrior ...

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Reply #25 on: August 31, 2015, 06:05:40 PM
The concert pianist I know, plays hockey for leisure.  :o  We, his devoted fans, complain and worry so much: "oh pleeease, take care of your hands! Your hands!" but he just laughs and assures that his hands are very well protected by the gloves in hockey.
But ribs are not ... obviously ...

BTW he once told a funny story about this. He and his team had just finished their training session and a little ice princess started to prepare her training by playing the music she was to use in her freestyle program. He smiled at her and said "Shostakovich D minor walz, that's a great music choice!" She nearly dropped her jaw, because that was not something she had expected to hear from a sweaty hockey warrior ...


Haha! That's a funny story. Who's the pianist, BTW?
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Re: How careful should a pianist be about his/her hands?
Reply #26 on: August 31, 2015, 06:11:51 PM
Per Tengstrand, from Sweden but lives in New York nowadays. He has always been a hockey fan, but 4 years ago, at the age of 42, he decided to climb down on the ice and start training with the senior amateurs. This was what made ME pick up piano playing again. I sort of got inspired and I thought "if you can do that, I can do this". I told him I would become a better piano player than he is as a hockey player. He seems to do very well, so I have to work hard here.

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Re: How careful should a pianist be about his/her hands?
Reply #27 on: September 08, 2015, 02:35:06 AM
When I played the piano seriously years ago, I was ridiculously careful with my hands to the point that I didn't exercise at all. Big mistake, huge! Nowadays I do serious bodybuilding and have discovered that I have developed incredible strength that I didn't have before, especially for fingers 4 and 5. Weight lifting doesn't help with agilityas much, however, but that comes with practice.

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Reply #28 on: September 08, 2015, 03:05:35 AM
Boxing and handball, bad.  Go for racketball or squash instead of handball. 
I do boxing every once in a while, as long as you're doing proper technique and not freaking out when you're sparring and you use handwraps and gloves and all the rest you should be fine.
Most injuries I've seen in boxing go to the body or the jaw. Sometimes you get a concussion but that's a separate thing.

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Reply #29 on: September 08, 2015, 04:07:17 AM
I do boxing every once in a while, as long as you're doing proper technique and not freaking out when you're sparring and you use handwraps and gloves and all the rest you should be fine.
Most injuries I've seen in boxing go to the body or the jaw. Sometimes you get a concussion but that's a separate thing.
It is, but brain damage isn't exactly good for piano playing either...

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Reply #30 on: September 08, 2015, 03:12:50 PM
It is, but brain damage isn't exactly good for piano playing either...

Oh, there is that...
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Reply #31 on: September 08, 2015, 03:50:26 PM
It is, but brain damage isn't exactly good for piano playing either...
But most boxers don't get brain damage, not unless you're Muhammed Ali.

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Reply #32 on: September 08, 2015, 05:55:56 PM
But most boxers don't get brain damage, not unless you're Muhammed Ali.

because they already have it to begin with...  why else would they do that?

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Re: How careful should a pianist be about his/her hands?
Reply #33 on: September 08, 2015, 06:48:31 PM
It would be bad to lose an eye or leg (knock on wood) but I cannot imagine ever losing my right hand pinky. It would be so horrible. Not sure how I would take it.
I would have to resort to learning a lesser instrument, like trumpet or violin. I guess.
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Re: How careful should a pianist be about his/her hands?
Reply #34 on: September 08, 2015, 09:23:29 PM
It would be bad to lose an eye or leg (knock on wood) but I cannot imagine ever losing my right hand pinky. It would be so horrible. Not sure how I would take it.
I would have to resort to learning a lesser instrument, like trumpet or violin. I guess.
I haven't commented on this thread, as I don't want to bore anyone.  But Brian's comment here needs a reply.  As many of you may recall, I had a rather bad injury a year ago; didn't lose any fingers, but 2 and 3 on the right hand don't bend at the distal joint at all anymore, and no more than 45 degrees at the medial joint.  I was... devastated.  And thought, for a while, I'd never be able to play again.  Even bought a bunch of left hand only literature!  However, with determination, I find that although I cannot write with that hand, nor do a lot of other things, I am able to play again -- almost all of my repertoire, with the odd exception of one or two things.

So... never despair.

However, on the OP's original question: if you are a professional keyboard artist -- pianist, organist, synthesizer, whatever -- you simply can't be too careful of your hands.  Even small cuts, for instance, should be cared for -- especially if they are anywhere near a joint.  If want to do something else besides keyboards, (I care for and train horses, for instance), think very very carefully.  If you are an amateur, you must balance the possibility of damage against your desire to play and play well.
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Re: How careful should a pianist be about his/her hands?
Reply #35 on: September 09, 2015, 02:35:21 AM
But most boxers don't get brain damage, not unless you're Muhammed Ali.

They may not get OBVIOUS brain damage, but no-one really knows how many hits to the head will cause some damage because the effects are individual. I don't think anyone has researched the effects on brain of amateur boxing, only professionals. If you are lucky you'll get none. I guess it's safe if you are good enough and never get knocked out ;)

As someone who has congenital "brain damage" I must tell you that even slight effects on your cognitive functions can make playing the piano difficult, while no-one would necessarily notice anything while observing you in less demanding situations.

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Re: How careful should a pianist be about his/her hands?
Reply #36 on: September 09, 2015, 05:40:25 AM
However, on the OP's original question: if you are a professional keyboard artist -- pianist, organist, synthesizer, whatever -- you simply can't be too careful of your hands.  Even small cuts, for instance, should be cared for -- especially if they are anywhere near a joint.  If want to do something else besides keyboards, (I care for and train horses, for instance), think very very carefully.  If you are an amateur, you must balance the possibility of damage against your desire to play and play well.

IanSinclair reminds us that it's not only sports that can be bad for our hands; everyday working life has its dangers.   Our hands are on the front lines, they interact with the world, and they take a beating.  My left hand was wrapped in bandages and not usable for 4 weeks because I was careless making coffee one morning, for example.  If you've never had such an experience you must be very young or very lucky (or so rich that your servants do all the physical chores).  These things happen.

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Re: How careful should a pianist be about his/her hands?
Reply #37 on: September 09, 2015, 06:38:43 AM
IanSinclair reminds us that it's not only sports that can be bad for our hands; everyday working life has its dangers.   Our hands are on the front lines, they interact with the world, and they take a beating.  My left hand was wrapped in bandages and not usable for 4 weeks because I was careless making coffee one morning, for example.  If you've never had such an experience you must be very young or very lucky (or so rich that your servants do all the physical chores).  These things happen.

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Re: How careful should a pianist be about his/her hands?
Reply #38 on: September 09, 2015, 05:28:49 PM
I haven't commented on this thread, as I don't want to bore anyone.  But Brian's comment here needs a reply.  As many of you may recall, I had a rather bad injury a year ago; didn't lose any fingers, but 2 and 3 on the right hand don't bend at the distal joint at all anymore, and no more than 45 degrees at the medial joint.  I was... devastated.  And thought, for a while, I'd never be able to play again.  Even bought a bunch of left hand only literature!  However, with determination, I find that although I cannot write with that hand, nor do a lot of other things, I am able to play again -- almost all of my repertoire, with the odd exception of one or two things.

So... never despair.

However, on the OP's original question: if you are a professional keyboard artist -- pianist, organist, synthesizer, whatever -- you simply can't be too careful of your hands.  Even small cuts, for instance, should be cared for -- especially if they are anywhere near a joint.  If want to do something else besides keyboards, (I care for and train horses, for instance), think very very carefully.  If you are an amateur, you must balance the possibility of damage against your desire to play and play well.

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Re: How careful should a pianist be about his/her hands?
Reply #39 on: September 09, 2015, 05:47:17 PM

Football and piano.... don't mix.

you only get one set of hands....be nice to them. 

Or for that matter, volley ball. After jamming my finger while playing volleyball, I was forbade from the game forever.  :'(

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Re: How careful should a pianist be about his/her hands?
Reply #40 on: September 09, 2015, 09:25:37 PM
I'm just an amateur.  I play piano for fun.  I also enjoy communicating on the internet with a QUERTY layout keyboard, on which I can type faster than I can talk or listen.  So I really value my hands.  
I don't play football, basketball, or hard baseball.  I don't use a chainsaw.  When doing woodwork, I mostly use a sabre saw which is pretty non-threatening, although I do own a 7" disk saw.  When using power equipment, I do a lot of thinking about risk. If something was to slip, where is the hand or sharp edge going to go? Is that an okay place?  Safety planning involves planning for failures and mistakes. 
When I hook up the tractor to implements, I use 16" channl-lock pliers instead of my hands in the pinchpoints.  When my bicycle chain falls off (18 speed this is pretty frequent) then I use two screwdrivers and maybe a slip joint pliers, instead of my hands, to untangle it.  I don't own any chain drive farm equipment, but if I did I would follow the same procedure on the pinch points. I had two co-workers cut fingers off with chains and sprockets, in 8 years of employment as a maintenance worker.  Both were sewed back on.  Both sort of work, but not good enough for piano or 9 finger typing.  
I'm helping a pipe organ voicer install a PO, but don't use the power drill to install screws, as it makes my hands hurt at night, the joints and tendons.  I turn the screws by hand, much slower.    His hands are much bigger than mine, and even though he is three years older he says screw tighten shock doesn't hurt him.    
Also watch using hands as hammers, there are a lot of shock damages that can be covered up by testosterone in one's prime years, but the pains come right back as this dries up in the fifties or sixties.  Read the side effects of male hormone therapy before believing the results of the ads, we have free speech in this country (USA) but a lot of commercial speech is stupid speech.  
Read OHSA literature about pinch points, and think about them when working around things.  Even car doors, I've been pinched by doors I was pulling myself, and now vans and things have power doors that could really do a job on you.  
Piano is great fun, but ten fingers makes a lot better music than nine or five, IMHO.  
For the disabled, there is always organ pedals, which require only two feet, but you can only play four notes at a time that way.  
Oh, and for the boxers etc above, I do work out. Mostly aerobics, the low impact kind since the US Army removed the cartledge from my knees.  A lot of miles on a mountain bike, 70+ a week in the summer.  Tree removal in the summer without chainsaws ( unproductive but strength building) and upper body resistance (bands) and weight training (5 lb) in the winter. situps and pushups.  Use it or lose it, at my age, and stories about people being stuck on the bathroom floor for 24 hours waiting for their son to come by (personal acquaintance) are incentive enough for me to keep the big muscles toned and bulked up.  

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Re: How careful should a pianist be about his/her hands?
Reply #41 on: September 16, 2015, 09:57:48 PM
I play for a living (I'm mostly an opera rehearsal pianist) and therefore play anything up to 10 hours a day. I don't look after my hands AT ALL. I do occasional heavy manual work (building work, car repairs, all sorts), I cycle everywhere and don't wear gloves until the cold becomes really unbearable, and so on. I'm 51. I have no trouble of any sort with my hands or wrists or arms. I may just be lucky but anywhere there you are.
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Re: How careful should a pianist be about his/her hands?
Reply #42 on: September 16, 2015, 10:19:18 PM
I play for a living (I'm mostly an opera rehearsal pianist) and therefore play anything up to 10 hours a day. I don't look after my hands AT ALL. I do occasional heavy manual work (building work, car repairs, all sorts), I cycle everywhere and don't wear gloves until the cold becomes really unbearable, and so on. I'm 51. I have no trouble of any sort with my hands or wrists or arms. I may just be lucky but anywhere there you are.
You're just lucky.  I also played for a living (Minister of Music).  And worked a good bit with farm machinery, since I live on and take care of a farm.  And never had a serious injury... until one day... just got a little tiny bit careless.  Fortunately that was after I had retired, as it has taken me almost a year to get to be able to play anywhere near where I was -- and then not on everything.
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Re: How careful should a pianist be about his/her hands?
Reply #43 on: September 16, 2015, 10:27:50 PM
You're just lucky.  I also played for a living (Minister of Music).  And worked a good bit with farm machinery, since I live on and take care of a farm.  And never had a serious injury... until one day... just got a little tiny bit careless.  Fortunately that was after I had retired, as it has taken me almost a year to get to be able to play anywhere near where I was -- and then not on everything.

Wow that's too bad. But cool that you recovered. I agree that richard black has a bit of good fortune on his side!
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Re: How careful should a pianist be about his/her hands?
Reply #44 on: September 17, 2015, 11:12:21 AM
I was stung by a wasp yesterday morning, at 5 o'clock. While I was in my bed, in my sweet dreams. That horrible creature obviously decided to land in my palm - how did it get into my bedroom, in the first place??? - and probably I twitched a bit. So it stung me, on the inside of my fifth finger. I woke up, screaming ... found the culprit and smashed it with a book (about piano practice, by the way) but unfortunately, the damage was already done.

Normally wasps tend to spare me. And the few times I really have been stung, the pain is gone very quickly again. This little monster seemed to have hit a nerve because I was in terrible pain all day yesterday, up to my elbow. Of course no piano playing. Today I'm fine again but I have to do a lot of computer work which was also impossible yesterday.

From this we learn that you can be sound asleep in your own comfortable bed, and still get damages to your precioussss piano hands. Relax people, this is what we call Life.

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Re: How careful should a pianist be about his/her hands?
Reply #45 on: September 17, 2015, 09:19:59 PM
I was stung by a wasp yesterday morning, at 5 o'clock. While I was in my bed, in my sweet dreams. That horrible creature obviously decided to land in my palm - how did it get into my bedroom, in the first place??? - and probably I twitched a bit. So it stung me, on the inside of my fifth finger. I woke up, screaming ... found the culprit and smashed it with a book (about piano practice, by the way) but unfortunately, the damage was already done.

Normally wasps tend to spare me. And the few times I really have been stung, the pain is gone very quickly again. This little monster seemed to have hit a nerve because I was in terrible pain all day yesterday, up to my elbow. Of course no piano playing. Today I'm fine again but I have to do a lot of computer work which was also impossible yesterday.

From this we learn that you can be sound asleep in your own comfortable bed, and still get damages to your precioussss piano hands. Relax people, this is what we call Life.

sure ya can... that doesn't mean you shouldn't still be at least a little careful...

bummer dude.. those suckers hurt like crazy.

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Re: How careful should a pianist be about his/her hands?
Reply #46 on: September 29, 2015, 04:11:06 PM
You don't have to be THAT careful.

You just gotta know what you're doing.

So when you're playing football don't try some crazy sh*t and when you fall learn how to guard your hands.

If you're so worried about your hands that you refuse to play sports and/or workout then I'd just call you a pussy.
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Re: How careful should a pianist be about his/her hands?
Reply #47 on: September 29, 2015, 04:27:59 PM
You don't have to be THAT careful.

You just gotta know what you're doing.

So when you're playing football don't try some crazy sh*t and when you fall learn how to guard your hands.

If you're so worried about your hands that you refuse to play sports and/or workout then I'd just call you a pussy.

Wow. That was like Shakespeare. Are you an author or poet? I can almost hear that beautiful post being recited in an english accent at the Globe itself.
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Re: How careful should a pianist be about his/her hands?
Reply #48 on: September 29, 2015, 04:39:20 PM
Hey OUTIN THERES NOTHING WRONG WITH SKATEBOARDING!!! >:(
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Re: How careful should a pianist be about his/her hands?
Reply #49 on: September 29, 2015, 04:40:30 PM
And do NOT start skateboarding ;D

I see you're giving up on my hands and wanna take his now huh???
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