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Offline berni22

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fantasie impromptu op.66 (middle part - largo cantabile)
« on: November 26, 2015, 12:12:56 PM »
I will soon upload middle part of fantasie impromptu :)

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Re: fantasie impromptu op.66 (middle part - largo cantabile)
«Reply #1 on: November 26, 2015, 02:45:49 PM »
why not the entire thing???!?!

and bernard is backk!??!?!?
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Chopin's 4th ballade and 3rd sonata.
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Re: fantasie impromptu op.66 (middle part - largo cantabile)
«Reply #2 on: November 27, 2015, 10:12:04 AM »
I am not tehnically good to play entire piece  :( . So i will upload just middle part. Do you know me ? :)

Bernard

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Re: fantasie impromptu op.66 (middle part - largo cantabile)
«Reply #3 on: November 29, 2015, 11:49:07 AM »
I am not tehnically good to play entire piece  :( . So i will upload just middle part. Do you know me ? :)

Bernard

But, the middle part is not easier

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Re: fantasie impromptu op.66 (middle part - largo cantabile)
«Reply #4 on: November 30, 2015, 10:27:08 PM »
I would say , relative to the outer two parts , it is easier. I am well aware that there are slower and note-wise simpler compositions that may have musical/interpretive difficulties and thus can be more difficult than the faster running parts of the composition. But in this case, the fantasie impromptu, yes, the middle section has its difficulties in interpretation musically that one has to expound upon. However, the faster outer sections has its own musical interpretation difficulties that are about par with the middle , if not more.

There are pieces like op 10 n 4 that musically it is not too hard to interpret as long as you are playing fast, accurate , and in rhythm !
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Re: fantasie impromptu op.66 (middle part - largo cantabile)
«Reply #5 on: December 02, 2015, 12:18:56 AM »
But, the middle part is not easier

I would say it is much much much more easier.
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Re: fantasie impromptu op.66 (middle part - largo cantabile)
«Reply #6 on: March 27, 2016, 02:56:41 PM »

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Re: fantasie impromptu op.66 (middle part - largo cantabile)
«Reply #7 on: March 27, 2016, 06:04:34 PM »
When will the etude form be given the respect they deserve? When will it no longer be the goal to simply play them accurately, quickly and in rhythm?
Never perhaps.

That link is not working by the way.
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Re: fantasie impromptu op.66 (middle part - largo cantabile)
«Reply #8 on: March 27, 2016, 06:41:04 PM »
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Re: fantasie impromptu op.66 (middle part - largo cantabile)
«Reply #9 on: March 27, 2016, 07:02:34 PM »

Distant, I don't quite get your post. I presume you know just by the title of the piece, it isn't an Etude? I am also unsure on your definition of "Etude Form" implying that there is a structure to an Etude?

An Etude by definition is a study usually of great difficulty with a specific goal in mind while being able to play the Etude at the conditions set by the composer (such as tempo and playing close attention to dynamics). They are not designed to be performance pieces, and so in my mind to play them accurately, in rhythm and often quickly (or at least accurate by tempo) is EXACTLY how they should be played?

The achievement of doing that is often why they are big hits in concerts, because of just how difficult they are, not because they are the most musical pieces, (let's put Chopin's aside for the point of this comment).

Yes. I know that this piece is not an etude. I do agree that the etude is a form of technical difficulties that are intended to be played for techniqal reasons. Solidifying, improving, or learning new techniques to name a few goals of the "etude form".

But saying that they are not performance pieces is selling them short. Can they be pieces for study and for enjoyment?
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=IKvMcbDDzNk
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=pPTe1xMB9Uk
Certainly these etudes deserve to be a performance piece if they are given the chance?

I am more than okay with etudes being for technique but it seems odd that we try to limit them at times only to that original goal.

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Re: fantasie impromptu op.66 (middle part - largo cantabile)
«Reply #10 on: March 27, 2016, 07:16:32 PM »
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Re: fantasie impromptu op.66 (middle part - largo cantabile)
«Reply #11 on: March 27, 2016, 07:34:34 PM »
The idea came from the portion of your reply concerning the op10 no4. But it seems that j misunderstood your intentions. Pardon me.

In general I see them being sold short by more advanced pianists who suggest that while being able to play etudes is great and well but being able to play a emotional prelude takes more musicianship.

That may be true and I may be to picky or I may just be totally wrong but would it not take more musicianship to evoke the same emotional effect from an etude as from a nocturne?

To play a emotional piece emotionally is easy; to play a technical piece emotionally is not.

Anyway, it seems we are on the same page.  And now I feel bad for hijacking this thread.
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Re: fantasie impromptu op.66 (middle part - largo cantabile)
«Reply #12 on: March 27, 2016, 07:37:59 PM »
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Re: fantasie impromptu op.66 (middle part - largo cantabile)
«Reply #13 on: March 27, 2016, 07:40:31 PM »
It's cool, my post may have been on another thread so I can't find the comment you're referring too.

This is the internet where words are often confused and misinterpreted!

I just realized that I had thought that you wrote what Brian wrote. I totally mixed up the names. Lol
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