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Topic: Beethoven's Op. 111 (Read 2571 times)

mjames

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(no I'm not thinking about playing this, just being curious)

How does the time signature in the second movement work (9/16) work? How would you generally count 9/16 and how would you apply it for this piece? I'm listening to it and all I'm able to gauge is a rhythm based on triplets+syncopation+3/4. I can't really feel the pulse notated on music...

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recnepspencer

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Re: Beethoven's Op. 111

Reply #1 on: March 12, 2016, 05:22:27 AM

I actually learned the first movement about a year ago, but I never went on to the second. Anyways, for the 3/4 thing you have to use the metronome and do it hands separately until it is completely solid muscle memory 100% perfect. Then you can put then hands together and it's no problem. Fantasie impromptu by Chopin is a famous piece for this. And if the 9/16 thing is confusing, that's just one of the things where you just have to do it. Rhythms are the same in any time signature, time signatures are normally for phrasing and tempo purposes.

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mjames

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Re: Beethoven's Op. 111

Reply #2 on: March 12, 2016, 08:27:16 AM

wut
now even more confused

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chopinlover01

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Re: Beethoven's Op. 111

Reply #3 on: March 12, 2016, 07:56:58 PM

Think of it as a double time 9/8 (instead of an eighth pulse, it's a sixteenth pulse).
I'd personally count it in groups of 3.

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briansaddleback

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Re: Beethoven's Op. 111

Reply #4 on: March 12, 2016, 08:40:35 PM

I love this sonata

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quantum

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Re: Beethoven's Op. 111

Reply #5 on: March 12, 2016, 11:44:36 PM

I would feel it as a triple compound time. A big three.

However, in some of the rhythmically more complex sections one may need to count using subdivisions.

Love this piece

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