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Offline distantfieldrelative

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Parts that are never "just right"
on: March 28, 2016, 02:37:41 AM
I bet that we all have pieces that we wish we could play just a little better, however we never seem to reach our goal.

What are some specific bars of music that never sit right with you no matter how many times you play them?

For me its op.23 in g: Bars 14 and 101-105.
Sometimes I can only groan and suffer and pour out my despair at the piano.
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Offline briansaddleback

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Re: Parts that are never "just right"
Reply #1 on: March 29, 2016, 01:19:10 AM
The question should be which measures or bars come out decent.  That way it is easier to answer w a definite list
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Re: Parts that are never "just right"
Reply #2 on: March 29, 2016, 02:39:49 AM
The question should be which measures or bars come out decent.  That way it is easier to answer w a definite list

That then. Please give a liszt of all the bars that you think you can play decently.
Sometimes I can only groan and suffer and pour out my despair at the piano.

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Re: Parts that are never "just right"
Reply #3 on: March 29, 2016, 03:13:05 AM
That then. Please give a liszt of all the bars that you think you can play decently.
I can at least say measure 1 of Chopin 10-11 etude I got nailed down most certainly.

Also perhaps the first couple of measures of Clair de lune for sure
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Re: Parts that are never "just right"
Reply #4 on: March 29, 2016, 03:28:11 AM
Brian you changed your Sig. :O
I would love to hear your op. 10 no. 4 ;(

And I would LOVE to learn the op. 10 no. 11
It's sounds so fun...

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Re: Parts that are never "just right"
Reply #5 on: March 29, 2016, 03:45:38 AM




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Re: Parts that are never "just right"
Reply #6 on: March 29, 2016, 05:09:25 AM
Brian you changed your Sig. :O
I would love to hear your op. 10 no. 4 ;(

And I would LOVE to learn the op. 10 no. 11
It's sounds so fun...
10-11 is very hard for avg size or slightly smaller like mine.  Man.

I can show you a video sure it is raw and horribly played but I can def show you pm me. The only other person who had the privilege to lol at my video was kawai. But she's a lovely person so I don't care.
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Re: Parts that are never "just right"
Reply #7 on: March 29, 2016, 06:45:12 PM
YES!! Today was the first day I made it through this page without a mistake... at 3/4 tempo!! YES!!!


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Re: Parts that are never "just right"
Reply #8 on: March 29, 2016, 06:52:47 PM
#yippeewhocares
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Re: Parts that are never "just right"
Reply #9 on: March 29, 2016, 07:03:52 PM
I could nail everything in Chopin's Gm Ballade EXCEPT for the Gm scale in tenths on the last page.  I think every time I got there I pushed it as fast as I could and my hands were never totally together as they should have been.  Chances are nobody heard it, but I knew it to be the case.
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Re: Parts that are never "just right"
Reply #10 on: March 29, 2016, 07:24:57 PM
#yippeewhocares


#meobviously

#thenwhatsthepointofthistopic
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Re: Parts that are never "just right"
Reply #11 on: March 29, 2016, 07:35:36 PM

#meobviously

#thenwhatsthepointofthistopic
#ignorethebitchyattitudes

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Re: Parts that are never "just right"
Reply #12 on: March 29, 2016, 09:44:54 PM
A few measures I definitely can nail 100% each time is in the winterstorm etude.
Yeah. Not bragging just stating the facts bros..

Measures 1-4
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Re: Parts that are never "just right"
Reply #13 on: March 29, 2016, 11:55:13 PM
#yippeewhocares
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Re: Parts that are never "just right"
Reply #14 on: March 30, 2016, 12:24:02 AM
10-11 is very hard for avg size or slightly smaller like mine.  Man.

I can show you a video sure it is raw and horribly played but I can def show you pm me. The only other person who had the privilege to lol at my video was kawai. But she's a lovely person so I don't care.

Confirmed 8) If somebody here is taking up a challenge to play all Chopin etudes - you better speed up  ;) bc he has played a bunch of them already. I still can't decide which one I like better, your 10-4 or 10-5?

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Measures 1-4
hahaha
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Re: Parts that are never "just right"
Reply #15 on: March 30, 2016, 12:30:18 AM
Well i do want to play a bunch of the etudes but ive decided to leave them alone until i get a teacher and improve my fundamentals...


Brb sending pm

Oh and I confused no. 11 with no. 8... :D

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Re: Parts that are never "just right"
Reply #16 on: March 30, 2016, 12:34:36 AM
#yippeewhocares

How can you be so indifferent Brian!! :o
 ;D



Oh and I confused no. 11 with no. 8... :D

Oh, you little dummy! ;D
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Re: Parts that are never "just right"
Reply #17 on: March 30, 2016, 12:47:25 AM
I can at least say measure 1 of Chopin 10-11 etude I got nailed down most certainly.

Also perhaps the first couple of measures of Clair de lune for sure

#tooreal
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Re: Parts that are never "just right"
Reply #18 on: March 30, 2016, 02:08:16 AM
   I can mostly spot the parts where the odds are they might never be "just right" when reading the piece. Then, one should normally focus on those parts but I will often be just all over the piece bc it is of course more fun and besides those "parts" should get better over time too. Yeah, right.
   There is one place in op 25 no 12 on 2nd page that felt a little uncomfortable and I stumbled there at times. So shortly before the recital I ironed that "part" out as it seemed. And guess what? When performing it came back (of course!) and I produced an array of perfect arpeggiated dissonances ;D It was just not possible to correct so the whole run sounded like this and hearing this I felt like, forgive my language, puking. Luckily, I heard my voice in my head saying really harshly: keep going! and I just did and the rest went ok.
   Now I try to work on such "parts" at the beginning of practice session when I am most focused.
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Re: Parts that are never "just right"
Reply #19 on: March 30, 2016, 03:53:58 AM
Confirmed 8) If somebody here is taking up a challenge to play all Chopin etudes - you better speed up  ;) bc he has played a bunch of them already. I still can't decide which one I like better, your 10-4 or 10-5?
hahaha
I haven't shown you how juvenile my 10-2 and 10-3 are yet.
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Re: Parts that are never "just right"
Reply #20 on: March 30, 2016, 04:16:16 AM
#yippeewhocares
#yippeeicarecuzimattermosttomyselfcuz
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Re: Parts that are never "just right"
Reply #21 on: March 30, 2016, 02:05:46 PM
If there's something I feel like I can't get just the way I want it, I just forget about it IF I can get away with it so it depends on the circumstances.

The chords in the middle section of the Rach 2 starting before the march is hard to get accurate and up to speed so I've spent long hours trying to get that sh*t good cause you're really exposed there.

But when I was learning Scarbo there was a spot right before the climax that was pretty much impossible to do up to speed so I just cheated and didn't play all the notes.  Shiiiiiit it was even hard at like 1/4 the tempo.

And the Bach prelude in D major from whichever book idk was hard for me to get the right hand solid in a few spots and I didn't really like the piece.  So I just played it for juries and quit.
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Re: Parts that are never "just right"
Reply #22 on: March 30, 2016, 09:04:02 PM
Like you, I would be ok with cheating in pieces that I do not particularly like. I mean those assigned by the teacher for some kind of technical or whatever sake. But how to get away with "those parts" in the lesson?? There is just no chance, teachers hear everything. Especially the lady teacher, she gets mad at times when she remembers she told me already to work on something and it is still not worked out. She scares me sometimes ;D
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Re: Parts that are never "just right"
Reply #23 on: March 30, 2016, 09:13:15 PM
i literally cant do that. (cheat my way through)
I feel like if I do, I'm betraying something or someone...
Even if I stop working on the piece itself I'll still revisit the specific part by the end of my practice session. I have to get it all or I'll start having nightmares about it...(im not joking..)

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Re: Parts that are never "just right"
Reply #24 on: March 30, 2016, 09:16:56 PM
I haven't shown you how juvenile my 10-2 and 10-3 are yet.
I am not a big fan of 10-2 but maybe your juvenile rendition will change my mind?
Chopin, 10-8 | Chopin, 25-12 | Haydn, HOB XVI:20

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Reply #25 on: March 31, 2016, 04:39:58 PM
I am not a big fan of 10-2 but maybe your juvenile rendition will change my mind?
That'll be encouraging  to think, but it won't .
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Re: Parts that are never "just right"
Reply #26 on: April 05, 2016, 04:50:38 PM
This section of the Waldstein 3rd movement:



Maybe it's just me, but the left hand figurations are very, very awkward to play.
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