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Topic: Ornaments chart  (Read 1616 times)

Offline pianocat3

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Ornaments chart
on: July 22, 2016, 01:14:15 AM
Is there some sort of reference that consolidates information on how to play ornaments for various eras/composers? I did some brief googling and didn't find anything. Thanks!
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Beethoven Pastoral Sonata (Andante)
Debussy Prelude from Suite Bergamasque
Accompaniment music for cello and piano
Summer project is improvisation

Offline eldergeek

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Re: Ornaments chart
Reply #1 on: July 22, 2016, 02:34:15 AM
LMGTFY ( = Let Me Google That For You):

Googling "Bach ornamentation" reveals a well-known table (by Bach):

https://www.pennuto.com/music/jsb_ornm.htm

LMGTFYSM ( = Let Me Google That For You Some More):

Googling "Baroque Ornamentation" reveals:

https://www.idrs.org/publications/controlled/Journal/JNL3/baroque.html

Offline pianocat3

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Re: Ornaments chart
Reply #2 on: July 22, 2016, 03:24:54 AM
Well the baroque is not the entire history of piano music. It is my understanding that ornamentation notation changed at some point. I'm guessing , but don't know, the change wasn't immediately uniformly applied by all composers. Perhaps I have completely misunderstood this issue. I don't know if some composers changed notation halfway through their career. ???
Currently working on:

Beethoven Pastoral Sonata (Andante)
Debussy Prelude from Suite Bergamasque
Accompaniment music for cello and piano
Summer project is improvisation

Offline outin

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Re: Ornaments chart
Reply #3 on: July 22, 2016, 03:35:57 AM
There are differences between eras, but also between composers of the same era. Google for a specific composer and you will find something. Also some good urtext editions have sections discussing the ornamentation. Ther are also things called books that have information that is yet not available in the ineternet :)

But sometimes there just isn't a specific answer and you must use your own judgement. And you are right that the ornamentation markings of one composer sometimes are non-consistent (Scarlatti for example).

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Re: Ornaments chart
Reply #4 on: July 22, 2016, 03:42:35 AM
No....books, you say?
Currently working on:

Beethoven Pastoral Sonata (Andante)
Debussy Prelude from Suite Bergamasque
Accompaniment music for cello and piano
Summer project is improvisation

Offline outin

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Re: Ornaments chart
Reply #5 on: July 22, 2016, 03:51:51 AM
No....books, you say?
Yes, and often you can find a place called library that offers them for you to read for free!

Offline pianocat3

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Re: Ornaments chart
Reply #6 on: July 22, 2016, 03:59:31 AM
Lol true, but I'd have to do an interlibrary loan to get books that would cover my question, which that's not too hard probably.  I guess I'll just google piece by piece.
Currently working on:

Beethoven Pastoral Sonata (Andante)
Debussy Prelude from Suite Bergamasque
Accompaniment music for cello and piano
Summer project is improvisation

Offline outin

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Re: Ornaments chart
Reply #7 on: July 22, 2016, 04:12:58 AM
Lol true, but I'd have to do an interlibrary loan to get books that would cover my question, which that's not too hard probably.  I guess I'll just google piece by piece.
I think the more experienced pianists on this forum would also be able to help, if you post questions on specific pieces.
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