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chopinawesome

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Is this repertoire competition appropriate?

on: July 02, 2017, 02:17:14 AM

I am planning to take part in a national competition soon( I don't really want to say where) and I will play these pieces( I have learned all of them except the Gargoyle and the Menuet from the Ravel)

Preliminary Round
Bach Prelude and Fugue WTC II BWV 873
Beethoven Sonata Op.10/3 I.Presto
Chopin Etude in G flat Major Op.10 no.5
rachmaninoff etude-tableaux op.33/2 C Major
Liszt Waldesrauschen

1st Round

Chopin Nocturne op.62/1
Bach Partita no.6 in e minor BWV 830
Liebermann gargoyle Op.29/4

2nd
Prokofiev Sonata no.3 in a minor Op.28
Rachmaninoff Etude-Tableaux Op.33/2
Prelude op.32/5
Debussy Pour le Piano
Bartok Out of Doors

semifinal round
Schumann Fantasiestucke Op.12(or Carnaval, help me choose

)
Ravel Le Tombeau de Couperin

Final
Beethoven Concerto no.4 in G Major Op.58,1st mvt(I will switch to Mozart K.595 3rd mvt if neccesary. I can also switch to K.467 1st mvt)

The requirements are:
Preliminary
One bach p &f from WTC
One mvt. from a classical sonata
3 etudes by any composer(s), one of which must be by Chopin

1st
A 30 minute program consisting of a lyrical work and a work written after 1949. The rest of the program is free choice

2nd
A 35-40 minute program consisting of a complete sonata from any period except classical and baroque. The rest must be filled with a 8+minute suite and a work written after 1920.

Semifinal 45-53 minute
Free choice. Must include one 20+ minute multi-mvt work.

Final
One concerto movement (2 piano reduction)

Pieces played in one stage may not be repeated into another( unless it is the preliminary round)

Thanks

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Chopin Op 20, maybe op 47/38
Debussy Etude 7
Grieg Op 16
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Chopin Concerti 1 and 2
Beethoven Waldstein
Ravel Miroirs

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Re: Is this repertoire competition appropriate?

Reply #1 on: July 02, 2017, 09:07:06 PM

In finals maybe a Medtner as one of the 3 etudes [one of the two non Chopin]
Op 4 no 1 g sharp minor comes to mind (there is a nice c minor one i love but.its not difficult enough for this setting)
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Re: Is this repertoire competition appropriate?

Reply #2 on: July 02, 2017, 09:35:03 PM

Quote from: visitor on July 02, 2017, 09:07:06 PM

In finals maybe a Medtner as one of the 3 etudes [one of the two non Chopin]
Op 4 no 1 g sharp minor comes to mind (there is a nice c minor one i love but.its not difficult enough for this setting)
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Thanks visitor! Do you have any links for the sheet music?

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Chopin Op 20, maybe op 47/38
Debussy Etude 7
Grieg Op 16
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Chopin Concerti 1 and 2
Beethoven Waldstein
Ravel Miroirs

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Re: Is this repertoire competition appropriate?

Reply #3 on: July 03, 2017, 03:22:01 AM

Quote from: chopinawesome on July 02, 2017, 09:35:03 PM

Thanks visitor! Do you have any links for the sheet music?

you are welcome
The entire set of 4 pieces is worth exploring, especially the 4th "heroic prelude"
Try here
https://www.piano.ru/scores/medtner/medt-04.pdf

Also fyi write up on op 4
The Four Pieces Op 4 were published in 1904, although the first one had been more or less completed when Medtner was just seventeen years old as Étude rythmique. The swaying 5/8 rhythm of the Caprice (No 2) lends an easy-going grace and charm. Moment musical (No 3, subtitled The Gnome’s Lament) is extraordinarily eventful despite its brevity, and would surely have been called a Skazka had Medtner hit upon this nomenclature a couple of years earlier. The heroic Prélude (No 4) is of particular interest for proclaiming the composer’s German antecedents so blatantly. Medtner hated to be described as anything but Russian through and through, since the family had been in the country for at least three generations but, from time to time and especially in his settings of German poets, his genes shine through. Its language is close to early Richard Strauss (whom Medtner did not admire) but its complete mastery of the keyboard was something which Strauss could never achieve. As the music approaches its climax the performer must project three distinct melodic lines (all in octaves), at the same time sustaining the constant flow of triplets in the accompaniment. Josef Hofmann was particularly taken with this piece and asked Medtner to play it five times consecutively at a private gathering.

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Re: Is this repertoire competition appropriate?

Reply #4 on: July 03, 2017, 04:00:15 AM

jesus christ aren't you like 10
you are sure one ambitious kid, good luck.

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Re: Is this repertoire competition appropriate?

Reply #5 on: July 03, 2017, 11:34:18 AM

Quote from: mjames on July 03, 2017, 04:00:15 AM

jesus christ aren't you like 10
you are sure one ambitious kid, good luck.

Ha i didnt know that, i wonder if the compeition is for other kids.or hes prepping way in advance for his teenage years debut at that larticular event.

Those requirements are beefy. But the video i posted was from piano bridges competition in russia and she took 1st place that year
Ps all of op 4

Vladimir Pleshakov, piano
LP, Orion, ORS 7019, 1970

00:00 1. Etude
02:45 2. Caprice
05:15 3. "The Gnome's Lament" (momment musicaux)
07:53 4. Prelude

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Re: Is this repertoire competition appropriate?

Reply #6 on: July 03, 2017, 02:51:57 PM

Quote from: mjames on July 03, 2017, 04:00:15 AM

jesus christ aren't you like 10
you are sure one ambitious kid, good luck.

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Well I am 13 and it is a junior competition and I have a lot of time to prepare for it, like maybe 3-4 years?

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Chopin Op 20, maybe op 47/38
Debussy Etude 7
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Chopin Concerti 1 and 2
Beethoven Waldstein
Ravel Miroirs

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Re: Is this repertoire competition appropriate?

Reply #7 on: July 03, 2017, 03:29:57 PM

Quote from: chopinawesome on July 03, 2017, 02:51:57 PM

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Well I am 13 and it is a junior competition and I have a lot of time to prepare for it, like maybe 3-4 years?

Damn, I swear your mom used your account and told us your age (with a few videos) awhile back. Either I'm getting the wrong account or time really flew lol

Since you like Chopin, try some etudes from people who liked him just as much, if not more:

Liadov:

Moskowski sets:

Henselt sets:

Schlozer's concert etudes:

Stanchinsky etude:

Obvious listens: Scriabin and Liszt sets, lots of gems if you decide to go the "mainstream" route.

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Re: Is this repertoire competition appropriate?

Reply #8 on: July 03, 2017, 04:38:43 PM

Quote from: mjames on July 03, 2017, 03:29:57 PM

Damn, I swear your mom used your account and told us your age (with a few videos) awhile back. Either I'm getting the wrong account or time really flew lol

That was like 3 years ago. Anyways, the Lyadov is really interesting, but I am not sure what to replace it with.

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Chopin Op 20, maybe op 47/38
Debussy Etude 7
Grieg Op 16
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Chopin Concerti 1 and 2
Beethoven Waldstein
Ravel Miroirs

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Re: Is this repertoire competition appropriate?

Reply #9 on: July 04, 2017, 03:48:55 PM

Sort of latin infused Chopin and Liszt.Mignone might be a good addition or substitution, he wrote a lot for his instrument [piano], and really liked waltzes, 36 i think last i read.

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Re: Is this repertoire competition appropriate?

Reply #10 on: July 04, 2017, 03:56:38 PM

This is from 1951, would work as a post '49 piece

That b section gets real Scriabinyish, gawd i love this piece so much i read through parts at times, i should quit messin around and learn the thing....

Omg it's so good.

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Re: Is this repertoire competition appropriate?

Reply #11 on: July 05, 2017, 12:01:13 AM

Quote from: visitor on July 04, 2017, 03:56:38 PM

This is from 1951, would work as a post '49 piece

That b section gets real Scriabinyish, gawd i love this piece so much i read through parts at times, i should quit messin around and learn the thing....

Omg it's so good.

Very beautiful piece, but I think it wouldn't work well with the Chopin nocturne and Bach Partita. I will probably learn it someday.

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Debussy Etude 7
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Chopin Concerti 1 and 2
Beethoven Waldstein
Ravel Miroirs

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Re: Is this repertoire competition appropriate?

Reply #12 on: September 15, 2017, 01:55:30 AM

I am very sorry to resurrect an old thread.

The competition is in 3 years, and there are new repertoire requirements:

Prelims
-1 Prelude and Fugue from WTC by Bach
-A classical sonata(complete) with no repeats
-3 etudes: 1 by Chopin, 1 by Liszt, and 1 by Stravinsky,Rachmaninoff,Debussy,Bartok,Scriabin, or Moszkowski
-Free choice to make the program at least 60 minutes( Only 30 minutes will be heard)

1st
- 1 work written after 1949
-1 or more pieces by Bach(including transcriptions by Petri, Busoni, etc.)
-A major romantic work(Chopin Ballades, Liszt Mephisto Waltz, etc.)
-Free choice repertoire to make the program at least 40 minutes, but no more than 50

2nd
-Free choice repertoire
-At least 45 minutes, no more than 50

3rd
-1st mvt from one of the following concerti:
MOZART - K.271,414,449,459,467,482,488,537
BEETHOVEN- No.1,2,
SCHUMANN-a minor
GRIEG- a minor
SHOSTAKOVICH- No.2
4th
-One of the following complete concerti
MOZART-K.466,491,503,595
BEETHOVEN- No.3,4,5
CHOPIN- No.1 or 2
LISZT - No.1 or 2
TCHAIKOVSKY - No.1
RAVEL -G Major
RACH-1,2,3
PROKOFIEV-2,3
BARTOK -3

I am thinking of doing:
Prelims:
-Bach Prelude and Fugue No.5 in D Major WTC II BWV 874(Could choose BWV 873, but like this one better and I am currently polishing it)
-Haydn Sonata Hob.XVI 46 A flat Major(Haven't learned this yet, but very interesting)
-Tchaikovsky Romance Op.5(Very beautiful and I think demonstrates my lyrical playing)
-Tchaikovsky Dumka Op.59(Contrast to the Romance)
-Chopin Etude OP.25 no.6 or 10 no.2(What to go with something easier but I think these 2 will give me a high chance to pass)
-Liszt La Leggeriezza(sp?)
-Rachmaninoff Etude Tableaux in e flat minor Op.39 no.5(I really love this piece)
-15 minutes left; Probably Ravel Ondine and Scriabin Sonata 4 would do

Now this is where I have trouble:
1st
-Taktakishvili-Poem(Thanks for the suggestion. Beautiful program starter)
-Ravel Ondine(Not sure if this is a good choice tho)
-Rachmaninoff Etude-Tableaux OP.33 nos.2,4,8,9 and 39 nos 2,5,9(I haven't learned all of them, so not sure if I should program them
-Bach-Busoni Chacconne (Maybe too difficult, but I dunno yet).
-Liszt TE No.10(I am pretty sure this isn't a major romantic piece, so I will probably not program Op.33 nos.4 and 8 and maybe not Op.39 no.9 and play Chopin Ballade 1 or Liszt HR #12 instead)

Or maybe I could try:
-Taktakishvili Poem
-Bach Overture BWV 831
-Chopin Ballade no.1 in g minor op.23
-Scriabin Sonata No.4 Op.30

2nd
-Beethoven Waldstein( I will probably learn this very soon.)
-Schumann Kreisleriana Op.16

Alternate choice:
-Rachmaninoff Etude-Tableaux or Debussy Preludes for 20 minutes
-Beethoven Op.90
-Ravel Ondine(or something else if I played this already)
-Liszt Mephisto Waltz No.1

3rd
-I have A LOT to choose from $:-\$
Schumann is O.K, though I want to play Mozart, but again Mozart isn't my strength, so I should maybe go with Beethoven 2, but Beethoven 1 is also a gem and Grieg is an interesting competition piece, but Schumann is... and ...

Still don't know what to choose
4th
-Easy: Chopin's 2nd.

Thanks for reading all of this. I just want to know which pieces are best for competition and would impress a jury.

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Beethoven Waldstein
Ravel Miroirs

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Re: Is this repertoire competition appropriate?

Reply #13 on: September 15, 2017, 09:24:44 PM

Man ...

Some days I think I'm pretty well, then I see stuff like this!!!

You're doing awesome, never give up ...

You should do something by Scriabin instead of Ravel--there isn't enough Scriabin played in the world! A sonata, or even his Fantasie in B minor. Also, check out his Polonaise!

Also, Beethoven Op. 90 is a great piece, but also rarely played! And Busoni is a great choice--and he did more than just the Chaconne; check out that Toccata and Fugue in D minor, famous on organ but rarely played on the piano!

For the concerto, I say do the Mozart. It's a nice contrast to the Chopin. And BTW about that Chopin Concerto: I love that one, and am currently working on it!

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Bach Chromatic Fantasie and Fugue
Beethoven Sonata Op. 10 No. 1
Shostakovich Preludes Op. 34
Scriabin Etude Op. 2 No. 1
Liszt Fantasie and Fugue on BACH

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Re: Is this repertoire competition appropriate?

Reply #14 on: September 16, 2017, 03:46:23 AM

Quote from: beethovenfan01 on September 15, 2017, 09:24:44 PM

Man ...

Some days I think I'm pretty well, then I see stuff like this!!!

You're doing awesome, never give up ...

You should do something by Scriabin instead of Ravel--there isn't enough Scriabin played in the world! A sonata, or even his Fantasie in B minor. Also, check out his Polonaise!

Also, Beethoven Op. 90 is a great piece, but also rarely played! And Busoni is a great choice--and he did more than just the Chaconne; check out that Toccata and Fugue in D minor, famous on organ but rarely played on the piano!

For the concerto, I say do the Mozart. It's a nice contrast to the Chopin. And BTW about that Chopin Concerto: I love that one, and am currently working on it!

I agree with you that Scriabin isn't played enough. Thank you, but I don't think I am good at all

I already have the Scriabin fourth sonata, though I might learn the 2nd. The Fantasie in b minor is a nice choice, too. Also, I am wondering about Chopin's Rondo Op.16. I know it is VERY HARD, but I think I should be able to play it recital-ready in 3 years. Therefore, I think my new rep would be:

1st
Bach Overture BWV 831( I could do the busoni, but I like this piece better)
Beethoven Op.90(Amazing sonata)
Scriabin Sonata No.4(or Fantasie Op.28)
Carter Catenaires

2nd
Scriabin Sonata No.2
Beethoven Waldstein
Chopin Rondo Op.16

I could also try:
1st
Bach-Busoni Toccata and Fugue or Chacconne
Taktakishvili Poem
Schumann Carnaval Op.9 or Fantasiestucke
2nd
Scriabin
Beethoven Op.90
Chopin
Maybe Rach Etude-Tableaux or Liszt Mephisto Waltz

3rd
I decided with Mozart K.467

Thank you for your suggestions. Also, where do you find the score for Scriabin's Polonaise? Thank you again in advance.

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Debussy Etude 7
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Beethoven Waldstein
Ravel Miroirs

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Re: Is this repertoire competition appropriate?

Reply #15 on: September 16, 2017, 06:16:05 AM

Quote

Also, where do you find the score for Scriabin's Polonaise? Thank you again in advance.

I have no clue, I just heard Valentina Lisitsa play it on YouTube and I enjoyed the performance. Also, Liszt wrote Polonaises too ...

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Practicing:
Bach Chromatic Fantasie and Fugue
Beethoven Sonata Op. 10 No. 1
Shostakovich Preludes Op. 34
Scriabin Etude Op. 2 No. 1
Liszt Fantasie and Fugue on BACH

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Reply #16 on: September 24, 2017, 08:48:07 PM

Quote from: chopinawesome on September 16, 2017, 03:46:23 AM

I agree with you that Scriabin isn't played enough. Thank you, but I don't think I am good at all
I already have the Scriabin fourth sonata, though I might learn the 2nd. The Fantasie in b minor is a nice choice, too. Also, I am wondering about Chopin's Rondo Op.16. I know it is VERY HARD, but I think I should be able to play it recital-ready in 3 years. Therefore, I think my new rep would be:

1st
Bach Overture BWV 831( I could do the busoni, but I like this piece better)
Beethoven Op.90(Amazing sonata)
Scriabin Sonata No.4(or Fantasie Op.28)
Carter Catenaires

2nd
Scriabin Sonata No.2
Beethoven Waldstein
Chopin Rondo Op.16

I could also try:
1st
Bach-Busoni Toccata and Fugue or Chacconne
Taktakishvili Poem
Schumann Carnaval Op.9 or Fantasiestucke
2nd
Scriabin
Beethoven Op.90
Chopin
Maybe Rach Etude-Tableaux or Liszt Mephisto Waltz

3rd
I decided with Mozart K.467

Thank you for your suggestions. Also, where do you find the score for Scriabin's Polonaise? Thank you again in advance.

Hi! I think it is a great idea to play the op. 16 rondo by Chopin. It is a very underappreciated gem that isn't played very often, and I think with a good performance you could really shine with it. I really like the op. 90 sonata, but honestly I think something like op. 31 no. 3 would fit better with the other pieces, but I guess that is a matter of taste. I am very glad that you want to play Scriabins 4th sonata. I play it, and it is one of the most amazing pieces I have ever worked with. But if you play a Scriabin sonata in the first round I don't think you should do it in the second round. Why not do something by Debussy or Ravel perhaps, since you don't have any impressionistic piece in your competition rep? Same could be said for the Beethoven, because you have Beethoven sonatas in both round one and two. You could try Haydn Hob. XVI No. 52 sonata instead of Waldstein maybe. It is a fantastic sonata that is about 20 minutes long, and a great competition piece. The rest are great choices though. Hope I could help

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Re: Is this repertoire competition appropriate?

Reply #17 on: September 25, 2017, 12:39:39 AM

Quote from: pianoville on September 24, 2017, 08:48:07 PM

Hi! I think it is a great idea to play the op. 16 rondo by Chopin. It is a very underappreciated gem that isn't played very often, and I think with a good performance you could really shine with it. I really like the op. 90 sonata, but honestly I think something like op. 31 no. 3 would fit better with the other pieces, but I guess that is a matter of taste. I am very glad that you want to play Scriabins 4th sonata. I play it, and it is one of the most amazing pieces I have ever worked with. But if you play a Scriabin sonata in the first round I don't think you should do it in the second round. Why not do something by Debussy or Ravel perhaps, since you don't have any impressionistic piece in your competition rep? Same could be said for the Beethoven, because you have Beethoven sonatas in both round one and two. You could try Haydn Hob. XVI No. 52 sonata instead of Waldstein maybe. It is a fantastic sonata that is about 20 minutes long, and a great competition piece. The rest are great choices though. Hope I could help

I learned the Hob.XVI 52 a while back. It is a very interesting piece, and I will probably relearn it. Yeah I was thinking of doing Ondine, L'isle Joyeuse, or a couple of debussy preludes instead of the scriabin. Op.31 no.3 is a great piece but I won't have enough time to play anything else

So I might switch to shorter sonata in the same style as Op.31 no.3. Any suggestions would be great Thanks very much.

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Chopin Op 20, maybe op 47/38
Debussy Etude 7
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Chopin Concerti 1 and 2
Beethoven Waldstein
Ravel Miroirs

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Reply #18 on: September 25, 2017, 07:14:51 AM

Quote from: chopinawesome on September 25, 2017, 12:39:39 AM

I learned the Hob.XVI 52 a while back. It is a very interesting piece, and I will probably relearn it. Yeah I was thinking of doing Ondine, L'isle Joyeuse, or a couple of debussy preludes instead of the scriabin. Op.31 no.3 is a great piece but I won't have enough time to play anything else So I might switch to shorter sonata in the same style as Op.31 no.3. Any suggestions would be great Thanks very much.

I think l'isle joyeuse would be better than ondine

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