They were musically conservative, and Liszt's music was a stark contrast to preceding music that they loved (including early romantic). Clara and Brahms were fond of the the restrained classicism of Mozart, Schubert, Bach, Chopin, whereas Liszt (and his "followers") sought to erode them or well in their eyes expand. It was just a huge clash of ideas on how music should be approached. Liszt being a pivotal figure of the movement they despised probably played a big role in their very public dislike of him.
Ironically enough Brahms ended up being a far more important figure in "modern music" (or maybe just as important) than Liszt. Guys like Schoenberg often cited Brahms along with Beethoven as their biggest inspirations.
unrelated but sort of related...Brahms is actually in my top 10 list of greatest tragedies in music1. Schubert's early death2. Schubert lackuster education in music3. Brahms meeting Robert Schumannout of all the mentors he could have picked out of the "greats" he ended up with the dullest one...Just imagine a timeline where he didnt get brainwashed by the schumanns....What could have been.
The only thing that's good by Liszt is mid to late period
Pensees des morts, Robert le Diable, Norma, plus many others.I don't understand why people think Brahms had more influence on the future than Liszt when Liszt ended up practically writing atonally. Btw Schoenberg quotes from the sonata in Verklarte Nacht. Fairly obvious that not everyone would appreciate Liszt's proto-rock star antics.
Schoenberg quotes from the sonata in Verklarte Nacht.
I know and love that work well but either have forgotten or didn't know this! What is the quote and where?Best,Alistair
Maybe "quote" in the exact sense is too strong, but I've certainly seen it written that the opening falling motif in Verklarte Nacht is an allusion to the similar motif at the start of the sonata.
Even Clara, before she was infested, used to play Liszt, Henselt & Thalberg.
Indeed and i doubt if she ever played that masterpiece again after that unimaginative little turd came into her life.Thal
I think you should change the title to "Let's love Franz Liszt club". He was the quintessential Romantic and we should all follow in his footsteps to improve today's music:https://publicdomainreview.org/2011/10/17/what-makes-franz-liszt-still-important/
Liszt dedicated his greatest work (the piano sonata) to Robert Schumann. What does this make Liszt?
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Blasphemy! A travesty! What is this?! A shallow mockery of one of the greatest geniuses and inspirational figures in Western history. How could you hate this?
Ironically enough Brahms ended up being a far more important figure in "modern music" (or maybe just as important) than Liszt.
Robert le DiableI don't understand why people think Brahms had more influence on the future than Liszt when Liszt ended up practically writing atonally. Btw Schoenberg quotes from the sonata in Verklarte Nacht. Fairly obvious that not everyone would appreciate Liszt's proto-rock star antics.
"The last effort in a major city to revive Liszt’s music took place in New York in the 1970s under the leadership of Pierre Boulez."
Fairly obvious that not everyone would appreciate Liszt's proto-rock star antics.
I actually sometimes don't understand why Liszt is considered to be the "first rock star" and not Paganini. Sure, he had long hair and "groupies", but that's about it.Paganini seemed to have had a lot more in common with the modern idea of a "rock star" than Liszt. He possessed incredible showmanship, played a mobile instrument (the violin), and, most importantly, was considered a "devil" violinist (foreshadowing the much later Black Metal people). He even played the guitar for crying out loud.Also, someone said that the violin during those times was associated with "the devil" - hence Liszt's Mephisto Waltz about the devil violin player, etc.
Liszt was a rock star, Paganini was a goth